Saudi Extremism in High Places-Why have 70 diplomats been forced to leave the Saudi embassy?

New York Post | frontpagemag.com ^ | February 12, 2004 | Stephen Schwartz

[SJackson]

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[NTegraT]

Holy Sow! How many more of these underground schools are being operated. Are they training chaplains to go into the prisons and recruit, too? And I always like Prince Bandar in the first Gulf War. Never heard from him during Klinton.

[NetValue]

We cut their diplomatically protected staff and they cut oil production by 4%. Who's squeezing who?

[angkor]

the Institute of Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America (IIASA) in Fairfax, Va.

I'm in the middle of reading "Terrorist Hunter" by Anonymous.

The Islamist situation in Northern Virginia is much worse than I thought (and I thought I was perhaps being an alarmist).

Even after the shutdown of the SAAR foundation - a false front, $1 billion "charity" which clearly was funding Wahabbi and Islamist doctrine here on U.S. soil - the jihadi plotting continues is places such as Falls Church, Herndon, Fairfax, Sterling, and Leesburg.

[Dark Wing]

A "Watch what Bush does, not what he says," moment.

[Capriole]

I think that these schools continue to operate in NVA because at least here our government can keep an eye on 'em. It's much eaiser for tracking purposes if you know where the bad guys are gathering. Doubtless electronic surveillance is already in place at these sites. How convenient for us, that they have well-identified spots to gather and talk.

I had originally thought that the schools ought to just go away due to some horrible accident or the attacks of some "right-wing loonies." Then our government could apologize profusely, express horror, promise that the bad guys would be brought to justice, give some money to the Saudis, etc., and the problem would be over. But now I think this is going on without being disturbed because it's convenient for everyone. The FBI agents don't even have a long commute from their own homes in Reston.

[swarthyguy]

Finally, the perfidious Saudi influence seems to be coming under belated, but well deserved scrutiny.

This expulsion is reminscent of the ColdWar brouhahas that led to mutual expulsions.

I wonder how many of these guys would have been liable to criminal/terror prosecutions if they didn't have diplomatic immunity.

Would be telling if any came back as regular visiting teachers.

[happygrl]

The fact that these institutions received millions for which their Muslim donators received tax-deductions really incenses me.

I will know that we are really into winning this war when Islam is categorized for what it is: an ideology hostile to the USA, and actively working to bring about its demise.

See the recent threads on the FBI Middle Eastern translators passing around sweets on 9-12-01 if your stomach can stand it.

[happygrl]

the embassy's Religious Affairs Department

Hey, I want a "religious Affairs Department" operating out of our Embassy in Saudi for the purpose of passing out Bibles and evangelizing the Saudis.

[swarthyguy]

I read that Sperry article in WND.

Not surprising to us cynical jihadi haters, but then again, I don't think we really want to know the extent of our fifthcolumn wahhabis in America, not to mention those Americans in postitions of power who might have secretly converted to islam - the brutal lifeleeching saudi kind and are actively working to promote the jihadi cause.

We've barely touched the ramifications of companies like PTech etc in subverting America from within, all made easier by poseurs, who mimic friendship while holding and cherishing their hate of America and efforts to undermine her.

[happygrl]

they cut oil production by 4%.

They need the income form their oil.

We won't see a repeat of the oil embargos of the 70s. They are a much poorer nation now, with other oilfields online ourside of Saudi. If they cut, we would go into full conservation mode, and other producers would respond to the market share opportunity.

The Saudis would only be cutting their own throats if they did this and they know it.

[happygrl]

those Americans in postitions of power who might have secretly converted to islam

That would surprise me.

When people in this country gain power, they gain what ever power has to offer.

Not likely to "convert," especially to islam, given its retrograde condition now with respect to human rights.

Now I can believe that there are those in power who have been bought by the Saudis.

Cold, hard greed.

That's also very American, and is the product of a loss of spiritual values.

The only likely "power" sector in the US likely to convert to Islam are those in academia, who are already mentally-ill (I'm quite serious about this) as a result of their lefist-liberalism.

[swarthyguy]

TinFoil Alert.

Consider the OKC case with McVeigh a convert after Desert Storm.

We know Malvo got converted in Saudi; news reports have suggested a concerted effort by the Saudis to convert Americans.

Imagine such a convert, comes back, keeps his conversion a secret, rises in the federal security bureaucracy and achieves a critical postion, all the time getting increasing radicalised by the wahhabi poison.

How would we know? Skips the beard and ostentatious religious behavior and......

And then, you're right, there is the money as is shown by the craveness of former ambassadors such as Robert Jordan and Chas Freeman, who fingered Ashcroft as leader of the AntiSaudi cabal in the cabinet. Intv in ArabNews recently.

[angkor]

The fact that these institutions received millions for which their Muslim donators received tax-deductions really incenses me.

In the case of SAAR and its 120 beneficiaries (all operating from the same "office" in Herndon VA), they were simply laundering money. A billion $$$ slushfund from Saudi, they passed it around from one "charity" to another, with the occasional sidetrip to Isle Of Man for washing.

See Terrorist Hunter by Anonymous for details.

[happygrl]

Islamism appeals to the disaffected like Malvo, Padilla and Mcveigh, who are then so alienated that they are fodder for the jihadists, who need some immediate fruits for their efforts.

It's difficult for me to envision a true believer in Islam 1) a convert who then remains rational enough to 2) remain as a sleeper and insinuate himself into the power structure.

As I said, the place for irrationality in the American power structure remains academia.

It is anamalous to the typical American profile to do otherwise. Islam just doesn't have that appeal in this country, except for the dissaffected. And it doesn't have the appeal that pre-Stalinist communism had in this country, due to its treatment of women.

Conversion to Islam in this country produces crazies, or people who live on the margins, like African-American Muslims IHO. The only seemingly rational Muslims who are also successful are the foreign-born, or those who are of Muslim descent, NOT converts.

The one person who could do this kind of damage to the US would be someone like Mansoor Ijaz.

His father, when he was dying, got him to promise that he would do something for Islma.

I wonder.....

[swarthyguy]

Fair enough. You're moving along to the right place.

It's hard for Americans to envision this level of doubletalk and hatred. And the motivation required.

Witness the PR officer of Cair on trial in VA.

The soldier who killed his officer.

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>>>> Mr. Surratt said he worked closely with the four defendants — Hammad Abdur Raheem of Falls Church; Caliph Basha Ibn Abdur-Raheem of Arlington, who is not related to Hammad;

>>>Seifullah Chapman, another former Marine;

and Masoud Ahmad Kahn of Gaithersburg.
"We were expected," but not required, to go to paintball, testified Navy Petty Officer Andre Thompson, who said he was disappointed, unhappy and "to some degree" angry upon learning that at least three paintballers had gone to Afghanistan to fight against India.

http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20040211-102205-1772r.htm

[happygrl]

Navy Petty Officer Andre Thompson

Sleeper convert ?

He was not enough of a convert to be happy that his comrades were going to Afghanistan to fight India.

These also were converts pre-9-11.

I don't doubt that there are Americans who might convert, I don't see the juxaposition of an upwardly mobile achiever with a jihadi mindset unless he or she were not a convert, but an American-born Muslim.

The real threat, it seems to me, comes from subsequent-generation American-born Muslims, of which there are many. Searching for their roots, etc.

[swarthyguy]

Thomson was a prosecution witness.

seifullah Chapman is an exmarine,charged with jihad.

It's just my hypothesis, and I venture that America's security services are looking at the possibility, they'd be nuts not to.

It's hard to envision traitors, especially for ideology, money is more understandable. End result is still the same.

And you're on the money for increased radicalism in the young ones born here. Lefty AntiAmerican indoctrination followed by College life makes them susceptible to the nuts. It's also a rebellion against their older and secularised parents as is happening in France and the UK.

Who knows what Mansur Ijaz's game is. One speculation I have that he's been living overseas is to avoid testifying in front of the 9.11 Commission.

[happygrl]

It's hard for Americans to envision this level of doubletalk and hatred. And the motivation required.

Yes, it is. That's becauses it is not an American trait, and would not be natural, especially to an American convert.

Those are cultural characteristics. I think one has to be raised and immersed in the culture to adopt doubletalk and hatred as a natural mindset and characteristic.

Now, truly, how many native born Americans have that kind of pathology, and if they do, how many are not sabatogued by it, but are achievers ?

The only ones I can think of are criminals, and their motivation is money, not ideology.

It just isn't an American charactersitic, which is why we're so likeable, doncha think ?