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Leak staffer ousted Frist aide forced out in an effort to assuage Dems By Alexander Bolton
The Hill ^ | 02-05-04

Posted on 02/05/2004 8:36:00 AM PST by MamaLucci

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To: Poohbah
It seems to be stretching 2511 pretty thinly to apply its bar on "intercepting wire communications" to Miranda's knowingly opening a folder that he wasn't supposed to (but was right on his desktop). It reminds me of the headlines I've seen describing what he did as "hacking," which is ludicrous.
61 posted on 02/05/2004 10:18:17 AM PST by pogo101
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To: Poohbah
In your fine legal analysis, where in the spectrum of wrongdoing do you fix
the hundreds of stolen (still unreturned) FBI files?


62 posted on 02/05/2004 10:22:10 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: george wythe
I just called Frist's office in Washington and a computerized voice picked up, telling me that Frist's voice mail box was full.

You just waisted your time. These bought & paid for pols by the elites do not care what you think. You won't vote for a dem & you won't vote for a 3rd party candidate. You are TRAPPED in this "Two-Party Cartel". I assume that with GW winning re-election you will get true conservatives on the SC? Dream on.

63 posted on 02/05/2004 10:25:07 AM PST by Digger
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To: Diogenesis
Pretty damn high. But I don't think we should be giving our own people a pass, either.

The ends do not justify any and all means.
64 posted on 02/05/2004 10:29:19 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Digger
You just waisted your time. These bought & paid for pols by the elites do not care what you think.

You're right about my specific message. One message can be easily ignored by the power elite.

On the other hand, thousands of e-mails or calls will not be ignored. I know some of the Republican staffers, and they will notify their bosses immediately when a bunch of e-mails or phone calls address the same subject.

65 posted on 02/05/2004 10:31:03 AM PST by george wythe
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To: pogo101
It seems to be stretching 2511 pretty thinly to apply its bar on "intercepting wire communications" to Miranda's knowingly opening a folder that he wasn't supposed to (but was right on his desktop).

Inadvertently opening said folder is one thing.

Wandering in and copying everything in the folder is something else entirely.

66 posted on 02/05/2004 10:31:42 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Steve_Seattle; Poohbah; af_vet_1981; MamaLucci
This post is EXACTLY the big problem we have now.

The fact is, the RATs have a license to cheat - and the media will help them get away with it as much as possible.

What we can do is try to make the tampering with the Sixth Circuit in the affirmative action case offset this (note that the NAACP attorney named in the leaked strategy memos has retired and faces an investigation). But I don't expect much more.
67 posted on 02/05/2004 11:05:16 AM PST by hchutch ("I never get involved with my own life. It's too much trouble." - Michael Garibaldi)
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To: Poohbah
Do you have absolute evidence that only one side used the network to look?
68 posted on 02/05/2004 11:06:10 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Diogenesis
Do you have absolute evidence that only one side used the network to look?

Nope.

I have absolute evidence that Miranda deliberately used the network to access and copy data he didn't have permission to access. Nail him.

69 posted on 02/05/2004 11:07:38 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Wow! Where'd you get a copy of the Liberal Media Guidebook? Somebody leak it to you?

Of course, I'm just kidding; it's a great post. In fact, the way you have written it sounds a lot like the Rockefeller SEC memo.
70 posted on 02/05/2004 11:09:06 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: MamaLucci
Miranda declined a request for comment. But The Hill has learned that he agreed to resign under pressure from Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). The Democrats have not agreed to scale back their demands for wide-ranging punishments following a full-blown leak inquiry.

Yet once more, Whorin' Atch bends over for the Demoncrats. And people wonder why this is called the Stoopid Party?

71 posted on 02/05/2004 11:11:56 AM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Poohbah
Inadvertently opening said folder is one thing. Wandering in and copying everything in the folder is something else entirely.

I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it doesn't sound like the sort of thing that a statutory section whose title refers to "intercepting wire communications" was intended to criminalize. Sounds like a lower-level wrong to me, possibly only a tort and not a crime.

72 posted on 02/05/2004 11:28:03 AM PST by pogo101
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To: pogo101
I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it doesn't sound like the sort of thing that a statutory section whose title refers to "intercepting wire communications" was intended to criminalize. Sounds like a lower-level wrong to me, possibly only a tort and not a crime.

Wrong--it is EXACTLY what the ECPA was intended to criminalize.

73 posted on 02/05/2004 11:30:19 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
If this guy was a democrat staffer he'd be the toast of DC,
on the cover of Newsweak as a hero government whistleblower,
and preparing to be the star witness at a variety of civil rights abuse hearings.
74 posted on 02/05/2004 11:35:37 AM PST by MamaLucci
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To: MamaLucci
OK, so you're just going to extend your low expectations to our side of the aisle.
75 posted on 02/05/2004 11:45:16 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: MamaLucci
Read Mychal Massie's column on Tuesday in World Net Daily. He hit the nail on the head as usual. I read this on Drudge and called Frists office and let him have it. I agree, Hatch is just as bad. They let the Demonrats run circles around them......and will it change anything? NOOOOOO! Frist and Hatch need to go and hopefully be replaced with someone with...er......uh......."spine"? Maybe Trent wasn't so bad after all.........but he was just as bad in many ways. I think guts and Republican are two words that just don't go together in the same sentence. Lord, give me strength! :(
76 posted on 02/05/2004 11:53:02 AM PST by Dawgreg
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To: Prince Charles
If there is a bright spot, it is that Miranda will be free to go on the talk show circuit between now and November and assail the Dems for their chicanerous ways (I hope).
77 posted on 02/05/2004 11:58:38 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: Froggie
Don't forget that other RHINO......Arlen Specter. I'm donating to his opponent...Pat Toomey. Anybody wanna join me? *~*
78 posted on 02/05/2004 12:00:57 PM PST by Dawgreg
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To: Poohbah
Section 2511.

You are publicly accusing Mr. Miranda of violating all of Section 2511 on a daily basis ? Is that what you just meant to imply ?

I also read news accounts that there was no restriction placed on that network within the Judiciary Committee. Perhaps you could shed some insight on that.

79 posted on 02/05/2004 12:19:22 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
You are publicly accusing Mr. Miranda of violating all of Section 2511 on a daily basis ? Is that what you just meant to imply ?

I'm saying that when he, without express permission, went into a section of the network that was not intended to be accessible to all persons, and copied information that he knew he was not allowed to copy, he violated Section 2511.

I also read news accounts that there was no restriction placed on that network within the Judiciary Committee. Perhaps you could shed some insight on that.

If you are speaking of ACLs and network permissions, that claim is irrelevant. It was not intended to leave that material wide open. Once he was in there and realized what material he was accessing, he should've just exited that portion of the network and advised the sysadmin of the problem.

If you leave your back door unlocked, and someone enters your house and steals your property, it's still burglary.

80 posted on 02/05/2004 12:29:36 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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