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"You being a jerk in your posts"
(ad hominem)

"Did God breath life into man?"

Yes.

"I really do not care what fairy tale you believe in" - (more ad hominem)

If its a fairy tale I believe in, millions of other people -most fo them very well-educated and a good number of whom are Christians, are reading from the same Mother Goose Book.

"God did not create man directly "

He created man directly through evolution and breathed life into the first man - Adam - who the end product of that evolutionary creation.

"For God to have created man and breathed life into him He would have had to make him directly as a man and breathe life."

He did. God directly created man through evolution, a process He controls through the physical and chemical and biological laws He formulated.

"I just want you to admit that you believe that Genesis is wrong."
I don't believe Gensis is wrong. It is a perfectly good explanation for the purposes of the intent of the book and the audience which initially received it. You just have to read between the lines and not take every bit of it so literally.

"Maybe you think he create the sludge or some other primitive form, let it evolve and then breathed life into him?"

Precisely.

"Do you feel that all lower versions of man also had that soul," I don't know. I don't think the Bible addresses that issue and its a Theological, not a socientific one anyway. Regardless, Adam was the first man and the first creature capable of being "saved" by Christ's sacrifice.

"then moved him into the Garden, then made Eve?"

That's another subject, really.

"Or is Genesis completely wrong?"

Genesis is not wrong. I do believe that it can't be taken verbatim, word for word, without also taking into consideration the thrust of the message ebing delivered and the audience for whom it was intended at the time of its composition.

"Just be honest and stop dancing."

I am being honest and am not dancing.

"If you have no idea where the Garden of Eden was or what went on in there - how do you know that everything was not different than you imagine?"

No where in Genesis is there anything to imply that what existed in the Grden of Eden was substantially different than what has existed anywhere else. Having never been there myslef, I don't think I can expand upon it any more than that.

"So I would not be so cock sure that you have the truth on origins. "

YOU seem pretty sure about YOUR opinions.

"But you do as you please, just don't try to pass off the lie that Genesis and Evolutions are compatible."

Its not a lie. They are. When you say they are NOT compatible, you are agreeing with those atheists in the biological community who believe a series of random forituous accidents led to man.

Thank you.

You have shown that you believe something you have no evidence of, and even in that you have mostly open questions and no answers.

How exactly did pre-Adam manlikes procreate if the first women was not created until after man was created and placed and lived in the garden for some time.

I do like how you take questions that you have no answer for and pon them off on theology. Nice.

As to my assuredness - You have lied outright about me on this. I have said repeatedly that I a fully aware of my lack of knowledge. I unlike many do not pretend to know how the system worked, I understand that we are not so big as we think we are.

Look.

I am sorry for any ad hominem remarks.

I simply do not believe science has even come close to understanding origins. And while your theory on meshing Genesis and Evolution might sound good to you.... I think your too close. When ALL the statements of events are taken into consideration (without taking every little thing literally) the timing of events and the nature of events do not add up.

If you do not believe in miracles, in the supreme nature of God I can see dismissing all "fanciful" stories in the Bible. But you have stated that you believe. So why cannot it be possible that the fossils records you trust mean something different than your interpretation. You simply do not know what happened - yet God saw it fit to give us a story that states that He created man and breathed life into him - a man who then did not procreate until after woman was made and after being booted from the garden. A man who did not have a soul (making him a man after God image) until the breathe of life. If many pre-men existed did they have souls? If so Adam was not the first.

You can claim it all theological and dismiss it, fine. I choose not to as these are foundational to Christianity.

In these discussions there is more opinion than facts and no baseline of truth can be established. Regardless how religiously the evos believer they have the truth. I cannot prove what happened - I just know we know so very little. Arrogance will destroy knowledge.

I wish you well.

Keath