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To: ZULU
You being a jerk in your posts and my pointing it out is not a Ad hominem remark. You can discuss the topic without trying to degrade those who disagree with you.

Regarding creation - you keep going into long diatribes and never really answer my question. Did God breath life into man? I really wish yo would just come outright and say - God did not create man directly and he did not breath life into his newly created man. I really do not care what fairy tale you believe in - I just want you to admit that you believe that Genesis is wrong. For God to have created man and breathed life into him He would have had to make him directly as a man and breathe life. Maybe you think he create the sludge or some other primitive form, let it evolve and then breathed life into him?

It is foundational that the difference between man and beast is the soul, which man received when God breathed life into him. Do you feel that all lower versions of man also had that soul, that God waited until man evolved to his final state then breathed life into him, then moved him into the Garden, then made Eve? (remember when Eve was made?) Or is Genesis completely wrong? Just be honest and stop dancing.

If you have no idea where the Garden of Eden was or what went on in there - how do you know that everything was not different than you imagine? You don't. So I would not be so cock sure that you have the truth on origins. But you do as you please, just don't try to pass off the lie that Genesis and Evolutions are compatible.

300 posted on 02/05/2004 9:37:57 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Only a foolish man would seek understanding only to reject paths still unexplored.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. ... To establish the continuity required by the theory, historical arguments are invoked even though historical evidence is lacking. Thus are engendered those fragile towers of hypotheses based on hypotheses, where fact and fiction intermingle in an inextricable confusion ... where deficiencies of the data were patched up with hypotheses, and the reader is left with the feeling that if the data do not support the theory they really ought to.”

– Dr. W. R. Thompson, Canadian entomologist, in the introduction to the 1956 reprint of Darwin’s Origin of Species.

302 posted on 02/05/2004 9:50:11 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: CyberCowboy777
"You being a jerk in your posts"
(ad hominem)


"Did God breath life into man?"

Yes.

"I really do not care what fairy tale you believe in" - (more ad hominem)

If its a fairy tale I believe in, millions of other people -most fo them very well-educated and a good number of whom are Christians, are reading from the same Mother Goose Book.

"God did not create man directly "


He created man directly through evolution and breathed life into the first man - Adam - who the end product of that evolutionary creation.

"For God to have created man and breathed life into him He would have had to make him directly as a man and breathe life."

He did. God directly created man through evolution, a process He controls through the physical and chemical and biological laws He formulated.

"I just want you to admit that you believe that Genesis is wrong."
I don't believe Gensis is wrong. It is a perfectly good explanation for the purposes of the intent of the book and the audience which initially received it. You just have to read between the lines and not take every bit of it so literally.

"Maybe you think he create the sludge or some other primitive form, let it evolve and then breathed life into him?"

Precisely.

"Do you feel that all lower versions of man also had that soul," I don't know. I don't think the Bible addresses that issue and its a Theological, not a socientific one anyway. Regardless, Adam was the first man and the first creature capable of being "saved" by Christ's sacrifice.

"then moved him into the Garden, then made Eve?"

That's another subject, really.

"Or is Genesis completely wrong?"

Genesis is not wrong. I do believe that it can't be taken verbatim, word for word, without also taking into consideration the thrust of the message ebing delivered and the audience for whom it was intended at the time of its composition.

"Just be honest and stop dancing."

I am being honest and am not dancing.

"If you have no idea where the Garden of Eden was or what went on in there - how do you know that everything was not different than you imagine?"

No where in Genesis is there anything to imply that what existed in the Grden of Eden was substantially different than what has existed anywhere else. Having never been there myslef, I don't think I can expand upon it any more than that.

"So I would not be so cock sure that you have the truth on origins. "

YOU seem pretty sure about YOUR opinions.

"But you do as you please, just don't try to pass off the lie that Genesis and Evolutions are compatible."

Its not a lie. They are. When you say they are NOT compatible, you are agreeing with those atheists in the biological community who believe a series of random forituous accidents led to man.


309 posted on 02/05/2004 10:46:52 AM PST by ZULU (GOD BLESS SENATOR JOE MCCARTHY!!!)
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