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Scientists Discover Where Snakes Lived When They Evolved into Limbless Creatures
Penn State ^ | 30 January 2004 | press release

Posted on 02/03/2004 2:37:14 PM PST by AdmSmith

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A preprint of the research paper by Vidal and Hedges is posted on at http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/link.asp?id=pa6a316clj7h
1 posted on 02/03/2004 2:37:18 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: PatrickHenry
A snake for your collection.
2 posted on 02/03/2004 2:38:17 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
There was also an attorney somewhere in the evolutionary gene pool...
3 posted on 02/03/2004 2:39:57 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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To: Modernman
Ping for you and your Creation "science" adversaries.
4 posted on 02/03/2004 2:39:58 PM PST by BroncosFan (Howard Dean, M.D. -- coming soon to a state near you!)
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To: shaggy eel; RightWhale
ping
5 posted on 02/03/2004 2:42:11 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: AdmSmith
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
6 posted on 02/03/2004 2:43:25 PM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: AdmSmith
Good grief this is common sense stuff.
Shoot, the Bible says right in Genesis that God cursed the serpent and said it would from that day forth crawl on its belly.
7 posted on 02/03/2004 2:43:48 PM PST by Chewbacca (I want to be Emperor of Mars.)
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To: AdmSmith
Scientists Discover Where Snakes Lived When They Evolved into Limbless Creatures

Democratic Underground?
8 posted on 02/03/2004 2:44:56 PM PST by anonymous_user (Politics is show business for ugly people.)
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To: AdmSmith
And I thought snakes came from Hope, Arkansas.
9 posted on 02/03/2004 2:47:46 PM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: AdmSmith
"Having limbs is a real problem if you need to fit through small openings underground, as anybody who has tried exploring in caves knows," Hedges says. "Your body could fit through much smaller openings if you did not have the wide shoulders and pelvis that support your limbs."


10 posted on 02/03/2004 2:48:44 PM PST by Fifth Business
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To: Willie Green

11 posted on 02/03/2004 2:49:08 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: AdmSmith
Their land-based lifestyle, including burrowing underground at least some of the time, may be the reason. "Having limbs is a real problem if you need to fit through small openings underground

Land-based lifestyle? Are limbs somewhat rare among land-based creatures? And the burrowing part? I guess that explains why moles and prairie dogs have no limbs.

As usual, close to 100% guesswork, culminating in a conclusion. The "science" of evolution.

12 posted on 02/03/2004 2:50:22 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I'm having an apotheosis of freaking desuetude)
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To: shaggy eel
Yankee senators aren't the only ones who are left wanting in the looks department
13 posted on 02/03/2004 2:51:01 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
,,, oh, where did you dredge that up? Isn't it repulsive?!!!
14 posted on 02/03/2004 2:52:39 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: cyborg
That woman was beat with a wet squirrel.
15 posted on 02/03/2004 2:54:18 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Come see the violence inherent in the system!)
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To: VRWC_minion
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Thank you for this truth.

I have never held a snake in my life and don't plan to, but I'm told every snake has two spots on its underbelly where there once were legs.

Evolutionists can theorize all they want, but many of us know the truth as stated in the Bible.

16 posted on 02/03/2004 2:55:15 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Evolutionists can theorize all they want, but many of us know the truth as stated in the Bible.

That snakes eat dust?

17 posted on 02/03/2004 2:59:09 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (You keep nasty chips.)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
One could argue that the serpent in Genesis is not a snake but rather a representation of evil but this article and scripture don't contradict a literal reading.
18 posted on 02/03/2004 2:59:55 PM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: AdmSmith
There isn't even enough fossil evidence to complete the evoluationary fairy tale in theory.

"The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nods of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils. Yet Darwin was so wedded to gradualism that he wagered his entire theory on a denial of this literal record." (Gould, Stephen J. "The Panda’s Thumb, 1980, p. 181)

"Fossil discoveries can muddle over attempts to construct simple evolutionary trees--fossils from key periods are often not intermediates, but rather hode podges of defining features of many different groups... Generally, it seems that major groups are not assembled in a simple linear or progressive manner--new features are often "cut and pasted" on different groups at different times." (Shubin, Neil, "Evolutionary Cut and Paste," Nature, vol. 349, 1998, p. 39.)

"Well, we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the situation hasn’t changed much. The record of evolution is still surprisingly jerky and, ironically, we have even fewer examples of evolutionary transition than we had in Darwin’s time. By this I mean that some of the classic cases of Darwinian change in the fossil record, such as the evolution of the horse in North America, have had to be discarded or modified as a result of more detailed information..." (Raup, David M., "Conflicts Between Darwin and Paleontology," Field Museum of Natural History Bulletin, vol. 50, 1979, p. 25.)

"Large evolutionary innovations are not well understood. None has ever been observed, and we have no idea whether any may be in progress. There is no good fossil record of any." (Wesson, R., Beyond Natural Selection, 1991, p. 206)

19 posted on 02/03/2004 3:01:29 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: cyborg; shaggy eel
Yikes! Straight out of Dr. Bukks
20 posted on 02/03/2004 3:01:36 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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