Hundreds listen to [Michael] Moore politics

The Grand Rapids Press ^ | Sunday, February 01, 2004 | Ted Roelofs

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"Why aren't we in charge?" Moore asked. "We are the majority in this country, not those crazies standing out there on Fountain Street," referring to a small group that gathered briefly with American flags to protest his appearance.

Mr. Moore is delusional. Fat, balding liars who spout of on topics they have no possible understanding of because their liberal politics get in the way of reality are not the majority in this country. Rational people who have a belief in less government, not more is the majority.

Sheesh. And they gave that moron an Oscar. It should have been for fiction, not documentary. Since he spliced and hacked his way through interviews to get his liberal screed across.

[Jim Cane]

If you put Michael Moore and Al Franken in a padded room together, which would be the bigger, fatter idiot?

And can we get that room soundproofed, so that we don't have to find out?

[Archangelsk]

Amway was a pyramid scheme but no one forced into it.

You're right nobody has ever been forced into it, they were all conned.

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One of my nephews is extremely athsmatic and the only laundry detergent that doesn't cause him to get sick when he puts his clothes on is the Amway detergent. Don't know why. I guess it's because they cut costs so much by not adding in all the stuff that makes him sick.

[peteram]

Thanks. I apologize. I think I should have directed my comments more towards Archangelsk. As you probably guessed, I participate, and am doing very well in a direct marketing business, and it bugs me sometimes when people spread mis-information about these types of business model saying that they are scams. The are based on a person's level of motivation and desire to succeed. Not everybody has this, so not everybody does well.

But thanks again for speaking up for the DeVos'. I think they are a really great family doing a lot of good things. Anyway, to continue this type of discussion would require a new thread, so I'll just leave it at that.

Have a great day
FReegards,
Pete

[peteram]

You're right nobody has ever been forced into it, they were all conned.

How?

[Archangelsk]

It doesn't fit the Ponzi scheme so what are you talking about?

Bwahahaha, another "I'm a supporter, but I never did it". Sorry, lonestar, but everyone I've ever met who says that is ashamed to admit that they were in, got scammed, spent an un-Godly amount of money on 'support material', got disillusioned, imploded and got out. Now I know you're going to hang your hat on the 1977 ruling, but guess what, that's just more smoke and mirrors from Scamway and your upline.

That being said, I'm certainly glad you got out, but there's still some residual brainwashing left over.

[peteram]

spent an un-Godly amount of money on 'support material', got disillusioned, imploded and got out.

Did you go to college? Did you have to buy books when you did? How much did the books cost? did they help you to learn your profession? Are you a millionaire yet? What happened?

These Support Materials are part of the educational system. Not everybody that get's into a business knows what they are doing. So they need education - just like college.

If they imploded and got out - that's only because they were not willing to put the effort into it. That's OK, because not everyone is made to own/run this type of business model.

[Archangelsk]

How?

YOU GOTTA HAVE A DREAM! You're still in, right? What PV level? 2500? 4000? Direct is just around the corner, right? Go listen to another tape willya and when you finally implode you'll thank me for it. Remember, less than 1% of all distributors make the illusion of Direct and nearly all Directs flame out.

[peteram]

What my PV level is not your concern. If you believe that the business is a scam, that's your right. I will tell you that my family and I have gotten more out of this business that corporate america(with it's failed pension plans, 401K's and dis-loyalty to their employees) has ever done for us.

No, Mr. Arch - I'm in this for the long haul (because that's what it takes). And yes - YOU GOTTA HAVE A DREAM!!!!! Because what else would motivate a person to step out of their comfort zone to talk to other people about an opportunity that has become so misunderstood because of people like you?

[Archangelsk]

Did you go to college? Did you have to buy books when you did? How much did the books cost? did they help you to learn your profession? Are you a millionaire yet? What happened?

I have a life that you can only dream of tape eater. I have the coolest job on the face of the earth, I fly airplanes and teach others to do so. Am I a millionaire? Nope. Do I care? Nope. So, newbie distributor, your transfer of tape material to this forum affects me not one bit.

These Support Materials are part of the educational system. Not everybody that get's into a business knows what they are doing. So they need education - just like college.

Oh, you mean the college of Britt, Dexter, etc. Look son, I've brought Emeralds to their knees and caused Directs to get out. Don't tempt me.

If they imploded and got out - that's only because they were not willing to put the effort into it. That's OK, because not everyone is made to own/run this type of business model.

No distributor owns his business, if they did they wouldn't be prohibited from selling on E-Bay or any other way. Sorry, dreamer, you are about one year downrange from imploding. When it happens you'll thank me.

[peteram]

It must have cost you an "un-godly" amount of money to learn that FLY-BOY!!! Look, you enjoy your life. That's great. It's awesome! That's really terrific. I really am happy for you and God speed to you in your career. I know that in these days of heightened alerts, your job is probably not as simple as it used to be.

I love what I do in the business because I know that I am making a difference in somebody's life. "Imploding" is not an option. So, let's just leave it at that.

Besides, this discussion is way off topic for this thread.

Have a great day, sir.

Pete

[Libertina]

Some kind of church, that...

[the invisib1e hand]

i expect moore to go the way of belushi or something. he's a flame-out waiting to happen.

[KC_Conspirator]

Amazing when hating America is considered patriotic, and holding an American flag makes you a crazy.

These are the same people who hold perverts as heroes and attack the Boy Scouts.

[Gothmog]

"'That's usually the group I'm in, the tardy group,' Moore quipped."

More like the retarded group.

[gaspar]

Walker-Riggs, an Oxford grad who married a US Foreign Service Officer sits on the board of the Starr-King Theological School, a Unitarian googooshop which has educated "progressive [read pro-Marxist] religious leaders since 1904."

[sergeantdave]

For liberals, their church is the state, their bible is The Communist Manifesto and Michael Moore is one of their apostles.

[Humidston]

>>At his core, he is an elitist and a propagandist who thinks that he ... should tell people how do business and live their lives."<<

Hey, let's call them as we sees them.... He's publically admitted to being a SOCIALIST. That fact should be repeated and repeated again - until the sheeple with the thick skulls get it memorized!

[Blue87]

I will say this. Michael Moore is a good speaker. Al Franken is not that good a speaker. I wish Fox would have Michael Moore on. It would be interesting to see O'reilly or Hannity debate him.