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Hundreds listen to [Michael] Moore politics
The Grand Rapids Press ^ | Sunday, February 01, 2004 | Ted Roelofs

Posted on 02/01/2004 8:34:26 AM PST by FourPeas

Michael Moore has never been afraid to offend.

He didn't disappoint Saturday night in an appearance at Fountain Street Church in Grand Rapids, as more than 2,000 people jammed inside to hear him take on President Bush, Rush Limbaugh, war with Iraq -- and just about everything else on the political right.

Several hundred more were turned away when the church ran out of space in its sanctuary and overflow rooms. They came to hear the brash, outspoken author and award-winning documentary filmmaker, who is also famous for denouncing Bush in March before a national television audience at the Oscars.

"Why aren't we in charge?" Moore asked. "We are the majority in this country, not those crazies standing out there on Fountain Street," referring to a small group that gathered briefly with American flags to protest his appearance.

In the course of a speech that lasted nearly 90 minutes, Moore faulted the political left in America for being splintered and disorganized.

Dressed in blue jeans, a sloppy sweater and tennis shoes, he urged the largely youthful crowd to vote in November's presidential election and to identify "10 slackers that you are personally going to take to the polls with you."

Moore also repeated a line he uttered a couple weeks ago at a campaign appearance for retired General Wesley Clark, in which he called President Bush a "deserter." It refers to allegations that Bush skipped out on months of service to the Texas Air National Guard in the 1970s.

"I want to see that debate between the general and the deserter," Moore said, to loud applause.

He drew his loudest ovation when he said the nation should never send its young to war "unless it's for the self-defense of the country."

Among those cheering for Moore was Emily Hogan, 23, of Cedar Springs, a social worker who considers herself a big fan. In her view, Moore is one of the few who dares to stand up to the powerful and conservative forces that help elect Bush president.

"I have all his books," Hogan said. "I have all his videos."

Of his controversial speech at the Oscars, Hogan gave Moore credit for speaking up.

"I think he deserves applause for that. You need to stand up to something when you disagree with it. That's American."

Hogan thought the sizable turnout proves West Michigan is less conservative than many believe.

That's not quite the view of Michigan GOP chairwoman Betsy DeVos, who took a few swings at Moore prior to his appearance.

"He's free to go wherever he is invited. That freedom is a privilege I'm not sure he values very much," DeVos said.

"Michael Moore is a distasteful character who has made a fortune off of peddling fear, ignorance and hatred while posing as a self-righteous populist. At his core, he is an elitist and a propagandist who thinks that he ... should tell people how do business and live their lives."

As for his attacks on Bush, DeVos said they "reflect his juvenile and incoherent leftism."

Moore, 49, has been linked to populist and left-wing causes since at least the 1980s, when he edited the Michigan Voice in Flint.

He graduated from print to film with the 1989 release of "Roger &Me," a satiric documentary about the loss of jobs in Flint and his relentless pursuit of GM chief Roger Smith for an interview.

He reprised the tactic in "Bowling for Columbine," in which he tracked down an aging Charlton Heston to confront the actor and National Rifle Association president on gun control.

It won an Oscar for Moore in March, when he stepped out on the stage to denounce President Bush and the war with Iraq: "We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you."

A pastor at Fountain Street said his appearance is in keeping with a long tradition at the church of controversial speakers, from Eleanor Roosevelt to black activist Stokely Carmichael.

"We could have filled the sanctuary twice," said senior pastor Judith Walker-Riggs. She said she hoped the appearance would spark interest in the political process in a group that has opted out of a recent elections.

"Michael is so popular with the generations that have historically not been voting," she said.

Before his speech, Moore went outside and spoke to the hundreds of people who were turned away when the doors were closed.

"That's usually the group I'm in, the tardy group," Moore quipped.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
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To: Archangelsk
Amway was a pyramid scheme but no one forced into it. As with anything, it was free will that brought people in. I bought Amway products from my sister. They were ok. I told her ahead of time not to get into it. She was going to get rich quick. It never happened.

That being said, Dick and Betsy DeVos have been working for MI and the MI education system. Please see http://www.glep.org
21 posted on 02/01/2004 9:00:16 AM PST by netmilsmom (God sent Angels- Why would I trust them to anyone else?-homeschooling 1/5/04)
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To: FourPeas
"I want to see that debate between the general and the deserter," Moore said

A general who can't follow orders and is fired for running and whining to Madeleine Albright whenever he didn't like his orders, ought to be right up Fatboy's alley. No wonder he likes Clark.

22 posted on 02/01/2004 9:01:26 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do stars clean themselves with meteor showers?)
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To: FourPeas
an annual Halloween service

Fitting! Why didn't they ask Moore to this service.

23 posted on 02/01/2004 9:01:51 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Mears
Heh. But they know so much more than us.

Just ask them ;-).

24 posted on 02/01/2004 9:02:06 AM PST by sauropod (Better to have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!)
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To: FourPeas
>> Hundreds listen to [Michael] Moore politics

That must explain why Weasley Clark, Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzalez, and the rest of the socialist loonies he endorsed are polling so well...

25 posted on 02/01/2004 9:02:16 AM PST by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: Archangelsk
...the greatest scam business ever perpetuated on the American landscape, Amway.

I never sold Amway but I used it for years--by choice. It doesn't fit the Ponzi scheme so what are you talking about? I don't know anything about Amway except I liked their laundry detergent.

26 posted on 02/01/2004 9:09:26 AM PST by lonestar (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: All
Don't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
27 posted on 02/01/2004 9:10:14 AM PST by yankeedog (I wasn't born in the South, but I got here as soon as I could. GO PATS!!!)
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To: FourPeas
A great big Kumbaya miserable failure bump.

Michael miserable failureMoore

28 posted on 02/01/2004 9:15:10 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (Gut and raze the NEA! ©)
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To: FourPeas
"Reverence for Life" Sunday, where pets attend church with their families

Hmmm... For a moment there, I thought that they might actually oppose abortion...

Mark

29 posted on 02/01/2004 9:15:38 AM PST by MarkL
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To: FourPeas
Curious as to the denomination of the Fountain Street Church. If it happens to be Universalist Unitarian, I won't be surprised. And I also notice that their "controversial" speakers lean to the liberal left.
30 posted on 02/01/2004 9:18:06 AM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: FourPeas
Nearly 2000 members strong, the church today is one of the largest free churches in the country, owned, funded and totally governed by its members.

And, coincidentally, that's the same number that came to see Michael Moore.

Sheesh, it's reported as if thousands from all over the city came to see Michael Moore, the big fat idiot.

31 posted on 02/01/2004 9:20:39 AM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: FourPeas
Hogan thought the sizable turnout proves West Michigan is less conservative than many believe.

It reminds me of what the democrats said about my county. "IT's not Republican. It's 1/3 GOP, 1/3 Dem, 1/3 independent". One rep I know in response said "In that case I got all the republicans, all the independents, and almost 1/2 of the democrats!!!!"

As for 'hundreds', Kent County had over 500,000 people. We got 700-800 people to see Alan Keyes(paying $50 to RTL), with a county of 170,000. Could Keyes draw over a thousand there? I think so...

32 posted on 02/01/2004 9:22:25 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("There's no soap ever been invented that can wash that blood off his hands." - Gen. Patton on Kerry.)
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To: prion
Bwhahahah. That's about right too.
33 posted on 02/01/2004 9:25:18 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("There's no soap ever been invented that can wash that blood off his hands." - Gen. Patton on Kerry.)
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To: netmilsmom
Amway was a pyramid scheme but no one forced into it. As with anything, it was free will that brought people in. I bought Amway products from my sister. They were ok. I told her ahead of time not to get into it. She was going to get rich quick. It never happened.

Corporate America is a pyramid scheme, the federal government is a pyramid scheme. Anything with a hierarchal configuration is a pyramid. The difference between Amway and corproate America is that in corporations you have to wait until someone either dies, gets fired or goes to jail before you have an opportunity to advance in the company. In a system like Amway, you CAN go as far as your motivation, effort and hard work will take you. You can even go further than the person who brought you in. You can't do THAT in corporate america.

An ILLEGAL pyramid is one where you will NEVER do as good as the person who "sponsored" you. In most legitimate direct sales/network marketing business models (like Amway, Tupperware, Mary Kay), you very well can. You need to put in the EFFORT (if you think you will get rich quick, you are wrong from the beginning) before you see the fruits. These models work, IF you work them.

34 posted on 02/01/2004 9:28:09 AM PST by peteram
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To: 3catsanadog
See #9 for Fountain Street Church's description of itself.
35 posted on 02/01/2004 9:34:15 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas
I'm amazed how no one in the press links the hypocrisy of a Michael Moore endorsement of Wesley Clark to the Kosovo War. Moore was ahuge opponent of the war. In Bowling For Columbine he links the Kosovo war to the shootings at the school.
36 posted on 02/01/2004 9:35:27 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: FourPeas
The Church of No Hassles...
37 posted on 02/01/2004 9:37:51 AM PST by clintonh8r (Vietnam veteran against John Kerry.)
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To: peteram
I agree with you!
38 posted on 02/01/2004 9:42:03 AM PST by netmilsmom (God sent Angels- Why would I trust them to anyone else?-homeschooling 1/5/04)
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To: FourPeas
Hundreds outside who couldn't get in.

The article plainly states there were 2000 inside.

Yes, I'm concerned.
39 posted on 02/01/2004 9:44:43 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Columbine
It says 2000 jammed inside, hundreds out. I would not poo-poo the Michael Moore effect on the election.

I despise him, but pretending he doesn't have a following that believes what he says won't help in defeating his message of lies and hate.
40 posted on 02/01/2004 9:46:04 AM PST by cyncooper
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