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Exploding Cost of Drug Benefit Should Wake Up Conservatives
Detroit News ^ | 2/1/04 | n/a

Posted on 02/01/2004 7:16:22 AM PST by jimkress

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:09:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Consort
Been there, done that. Don't let Dems control any part of government.

That's going to be a tough nut to crack. The rank and file of bureaucracies are, IMHO, one of the largest and most powerful of the Democratic constituencies. They give the Democrats a substantial amount of "control" even when they aren't in charge. Anything that expands the government helps the Democrats.

141 posted on 02/01/2004 5:35:29 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Ahban
In ten year or less, the Constitution Party will be a major party.

Huh? I think your crystal ball needs a tuneup.

142 posted on 02/01/2004 5:39:05 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Was my post directed at you?

No, but mine was to you---do we "principled conservatives" need permission now to approach our Bush partisan betters?

It wasn't, but interestingly enough, it must have stung you, otherwise you wouldn't have taken it so personal.

I was answering your post, amor mio. "Personal"? Sheesh, don't you see the beam in your own eye?

Get a hold of yourself, it ain't all about you you know, but if the Kerry fits...

You too, Luisito. You're not going to win a lot of people back to Bush with your attitude. Too bad. 'Ta luego, Luis.

143 posted on 02/01/2004 5:42:37 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tacticalogic
That's going to be a tough nut to crack.

See my comment Here.

144 posted on 02/01/2004 5:49:41 PM PST by Consort
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To: Map Kernow
We agree on most aspects of your post. Where the disconnect comes in is with the tax increases to fund the schemes. I think that any astute politician (yeah, I know, an oxymoron), will change the entitlement rules BEFORE the taxes go up because, by that time, the baby boomers will likely be outvoted and out pressured by the Gen X-/Y-ers.

IMO, there will be an incredible amount of pressure placed on Congress NOT to raise taxes beyond the pre-Bush tax cuts level. I don't think that the Gen X-/Y-ers are too thrilled to fund many of the entitlements that the boomers will be drawing against. That's why I think that the entitlements will be cut. It's not as though the government hasn't changed the rules in mid-stream before . . . although, I think that in these cases, those changes will likely be justifiable.
145 posted on 02/01/2004 5:50:34 PM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: DustyMoment
I don't want to argue with your courteous reply, but I don't think it really makes any sense, unless you're assuming all those Gen X'ers are somehow going to outvote the Baby Boomers. No sane politician is going to throw away the vote of aging baby boomers for the promise of present or future votes of a less numerous generation. The selfishness and self-seeking of the baby boom "Me Generation" ain't over yet--not for a long time.
146 posted on 02/01/2004 5:56:17 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FreeReign
Mystery ak's husband Mike is OK.Thank God.Now she worries her joy is someonelse's misery.May God comfort those who will mourn.
147 posted on 02/01/2004 6:09:29 PM PST by MEG33 (God bless our armed forces)
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To: Consort
Somehow beating the Democrats is starting to look an awful lot like simply replacing them.
148 posted on 02/01/2004 6:18:08 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Map Kernow
"Do we "principled conservatives" need permission now to approach our Bush partisan betters?"

I am a Republican, not a "Bush partisan".

In this site, those who support the GOP and the incumbent President are called 'bots, for mindless robots, while "principled conservatives" look down theor noses at us...quit playing the victim.

"You're not going to win a lot of people back to Bush with your attitude."

I'm not trying to "win anyone back to Bush", I will however, expose those trying to advance the idea that losing elections to Democrats is a good thing for the country.

Sorry, no takers here.

149 posted on 02/01/2004 8:10:33 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'm not trying to "win anyone back to Bush", I will however, expose those trying to advance the idea that losing elections to Democrats is a good thing for the country.

"Those trying to advance the idea that losing elections to Democrats is a good thing"---that would be who? If you don't want to lose to Democrats, you'd better run a real Republican. There are some of us that think someone who just had a budget busting entitlement plan passed while misrepresenting its cost by more than half, someone who just proposed an amnesty plan to reward those who break the laws of our country, someone who just announced a big increase in funding for an agency that pays "artists" to put Holy Crucifixes in urine....SOME OF US REGISTERED REPUBLICANS AND 2000 BUSH VOTERS THINK THAT THAT "SOMEONE" DOESN'T FIT THE DEFINITION OF "REPUBLICAN." You get it?

Sorry, no takers here.

None here, either. That is, I'm not going to take a Democrat on either ticket. You get it?

150 posted on 02/01/2004 8:27:46 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Map Kernow
"...SOME OF US REGISTERED REPUBLICANS AND 2000 BUSH VOTERS THINK THAT THAT "SOMEONE" DOESN'T FIT THE DEFINITION OF "REPUBLICAN."

Then go find a candidate to elevate, because all you seem to be able to do is to knock one down.

Work FOR something, instead of just standing for nothing.

151 posted on 02/01/2004 8:32:51 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Dane
Always the Bushbot hey Dane? Doesn't matter what this administration does, they are always right. Socialism and big government are OK as long as Bush administration is proposing it. You, Dane are the standard by which party hacks are measured, you and Baghdad Bob.
152 posted on 02/01/2004 8:40:20 PM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Map Kernow
Well, this "selfish baby boomer" doesn't like and won't use it. It was predicated on a lie; it's incredibly inflationary and, the last time I looked, there is nothing in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution that makes the government (younger generations) responsible for my health care and/or my drugs. It's BS and needs to be repealed ASAP.

And there are lots of us "selfish, Me Generation Baby Boomers" who feel the same way.

BTW, don't believe everything you read or lump everyone into one category. We're all different and we all bring different things to the table.
153 posted on 02/02/2004 2:15:25 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Then go find a candidate to elevate, because all you seem to be able to do is to knock one down.

Work FOR something, instead of just standing for nothing.

Luis, I'll briefly try to explain one more time, because like I said, we used to be on the same side on a lot of things, and if we compared notes, I suspect we'd still be on the same side. And electing Democrats isn't something I want anymore than you do.

The point is not that I "have to go work FOR something, instead of standing for nothing." What do you think "principle" means? It means there are certain things I "stand for"---like fiscal responsibility, like territorial integrity, like the rule of law---that I can't simply compromise in the interests of electing some candidate or making sure another candidate is not elected. Bush has to "elevate" himself so that he gives me and others something to vote FOR, which means he doesn't barter away fundamental "principles" for starters.

Having said all that, allow me to just be a little conciliatory. I'm sorry if what I considered light hearted banter or humor in my previous posts offended or irritated you. There's more than a few months until election, and I haven't definitively made up my mind what to do about all the things Bush has done lately to get me ticked---maybe I should take it up with him and the RNC instead of you, and see if they give me satisfaction. Otherwise, like I said, I'm sure on most issues we see eye-to- eye, and are looking towards the same goals: more responsible jurists, lower taxes and less regulation, victory in the war on terror, an end to terrorist regimes in Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc. I hope we all get over this "Bush bump" intact as a political movement, and I mean that sincerely.

154 posted on 02/02/2004 9:42:38 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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