[Sabertooth]

Now Now Tooth, there you go again, I said blanket amnesty

You said "blanket Amnesty," and I told you that was a red herring of the President's.

It was always a meaningless promise; the Reagan Amnesty wasn't even a blanket Amnesty. You understood Amnesty would necessarily be blanket, and that has proven, as predicted, not to be true.

don't put words in my mouth, I was not in favor of this plan

Never said you did.

I said it would never make it out of Congress. I also said it was just a vague proposal, NOT A BILL introduced to Congress

It probably will be defeated in Congress, though there's no room for complacency.

However, the "vague proposal" harbor is no more safe than the "he opposes blanket Amnesty" refuge.

I may be in the minority on this, but I don't think this proposal of the President's to legalize millions of Illegals is merely politics. Sure, it's a calculation in his timing, but I believe that President Bush fundamentally believes it's the right thing to do. He's tried Amnesty before, in 2002, is trying again now, and will try again in the future.

He just needs to be reelected and watched like a hawk on this issue.

[MJY1288]

Well, I think a lot of President Bush, I think he is a good man and a great leader, but it takes votes to win elections and Politics play a major role to make that happen. I think the NYT's started playing politics with this issue very early in his administration.

In the summer of 2002 I spent 3 nights going over all the immigration articles by the NYT's, WP, and the LAT's dating back to 1997, When Bush became the president, the amount of immigration articles by the liberal rags increased by 400%, at one point the NYT's was averaging 4 a day. I believe President Bush played politics right back at em by never really making any definitive remarks on the issue until we got this proposal, and for the first time he asked Congress to come up with a plan, every other plan he has presented to Congress before this proposal, was in great detail.

So, I still think he was playing politics. It might have cost him a little, but I think it would have cost him more if he did nothing.