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Kay Asks Why U.S. Thought Iraq Had WMD
Associated Press via The Grand Forks Herald ^ | 01/25/2004 | SCOTT LINDLAW

Posted on 01/25/2004 7:13:03 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper

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To: BigLittle
#9

Good job, along with the fact that Saddam gassed the Kurds and Persians. But you have to remember, facts and logic have no place in the liberal/socialist/democRAT mind.

5.56mm

21 posted on 01/25/2004 7:33:26 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: NormsRevenge
Kay also said chaos in postwar Iraq made it impossible to know with certainty whether Iraq had had banned weapons.

Yep.

Chaos = looting

22 posted on 01/25/2004 7:33:43 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: ErnBatavia
but all he has to say is that his vote was based on false evidence, and he is covered. that quote from Kerry means nothing, in fact, his position is strengthened by all this.
23 posted on 01/25/2004 7:35:38 PM PST by oceanview
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To: demkicker
Buck Up! The dems will bash him until people are numb to it, like they do everything else, and people will once again think "Why do they hate him? Why don't they let him do his job. Why did most of you vote for this resolution in October 2002? If you knew their were no weapons, you should have said something."
24 posted on 01/25/2004 7:36:03 PM PST by eyespysomething (Another American optimist!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Your# 4........correct!!

And,......don't ever forget those three (3) SH 'Mystery Ships'......and their hidden 'cargo'....!!

3 Ships......allowed to escape!!

(The 'deep-six'..??.....or,....Ports U.S.A.,....etc.)

What does Mr. Kay have to say about the three 'Mystery Ships'....??

Oh,.....nothing here,....forget all about it.

:-(

25 posted on 01/25/2004 7:36:28 PM PST by maestro
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To: ErnBatavia
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-if necessary-to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-Senator John F. Kerry (D, MA), October 9, 2002

Bears repeating bump...
AND AGAIN AGAIN AND AGAIN
26 posted on 01/25/2004 7:37:26 PM PST by fatal
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To: demkicker
Oh, please. The sky hasn't even begun to fall.

27 posted on 01/25/2004 7:38:53 PM PST by Cosmo (Liberalism is for Girls!)
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To: ErnBatavia
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-if necessary-to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."-Senator John F. Kerry (D, MA), October 9, 2002

Bears repeating bump...

For SURE! In TV ads - over and over and over!
28 posted on 01/25/2004 7:39:55 PM PST by gramcam
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To: BigSkyFreeper
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

The inspectors undertook this mission first 7.5 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.

The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles.

With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

The United States has patiently worked to preserve UNSCOM as Iraq has sought to avoid its obligation to cooperate with the inspectors. On occasion, we've had to threaten military force, and Saddam has backed down.

Faced with Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.

Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the UN.

When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the UN that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors.

I decided then to call off the attack with our airplanes already in the air because Saddam had given in to our demands. I concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate.

I made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, based on existing UN resolutions and Iraq's own commitments. And along with Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.

Now over the past three weeks, the UN weapons inspectors have carried out their plan for testing Iraq's cooperation. The testing period ended this weekend, and last night, UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, reported the results to UN Secretary-General Annan.

The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing.

In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. Indeed, it actually has placed new restrictions on the inspectors. Here are some of the particulars.

Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites. For example, it shut off access to the headquarters of its ruling party and said it will deny access to the party's other offices, even though UN resolutions make no exception for them and UNSCOM has inspected them in the past.

Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence. For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program.

It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.

Prior to the inspection of another site, Iraq actually emptied out the building, removing not just documents but even the furniture and the equipment.

Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all the documents requested by the inspectors. Indeed, we know that Iraq ordered the destruction of weapons-related documents in anticipation of an UNSCOM inspection.

So Iraq has abused its final chance.

As the UNSCOM reports concludes, and again I quote, "Iraq's conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in the fields of disarmament.

"In light of this experience, and in the absence of full cooperation by Iraq, it must regrettably be recorded again that the commission is not able to conduct the work mandated to it by the Security Council with respect to Iraq's prohibited weapons program."

In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.

Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance.

And so we had to act and act now.

Let me explain why.

First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years.

Second, if Saddam can crippled the weapons inspection system and get away with it, he would conclude that the international community -- led by the United States -- has simply lost its will. He will surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction, and someday -- make no mistake -- he will use it again as he has in the past.

Third, in halting our air strikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance, not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed. We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection system that controls his weapons of mass destruction program; we also will have fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain domination in the region.

That is why, on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team -- including the vice president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of state and the national security adviser -- I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq.

They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors.

At the same time, we are delivering a powerful message to Saddam. If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price. We acted today because, in the judgment of my military advisers, a swift response would provide the most surprise and the least opportunity for Saddam to prepare.

If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report, we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his weapons.

Also, the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins this weekend. For us to initiate military action during Ramadan would be profoundly offensive to the Muslim world and, therefore, would damage our relations with Arab countries and the progress we have made in the Middle East.

That is something we wanted very much to avoid without giving Iraq's a month's head start to prepare for potential action against it.

Finally, our allies, including Prime Minister Tony Blair of Great Britain, concurred that now is the time to strike. I hope Saddam will come into cooperation with the inspection system now and comply with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions. But we have to be prepared that he will not, and we must deal with the very real danger he poses.

So we will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people.

First, we must be prepared to use force again if Saddam takes threatening actions, such as trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction or their delivery systems, threatening his neighbors, challenging allied aircraft over Iraq or moving against his own Kurdish citizens.

The credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War.

Second, so long as Iraq remains out of compliance, we will work with the international community to maintain and enforce economic sanctions. Sanctions have cost Saddam more than $120 billion -- resources that would have been used to rebuild his military. The sanctions system allows Iraq to sell oil for food, for medicine, for other humanitarian supplies for the Iraqi people.

We have no quarrel with them. But without the sanctions, we would see the oil-for-food program become oil-for-tanks, resulting in a greater threat to Iraq's neighbors and less food for its people.

The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently.

The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties.

Indeed, in the past, Saddam has intentionally placed Iraqi civilians in harm's way in a cynical bid to sway international opinion.

We must be prepared for these realities. At the same time, Saddam should have absolutely no doubt if he lashes out at his neighbors, we will respond forcefully.

Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people.

And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.

Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.

Let me close by addressing one other issue. Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down.

But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so.

In the century we're leaving, America has often made the difference between chaos and community, fear and hope. Now, in the new century, we'll have a remarkable opportunity to shape a future more peaceful than the past, but only if we stand strong against the enemies of peace.

Tonight, the United States is doing just that. May God bless and protect the brave men and women who are carrying out this vital mission and their families. And may God bless America.

29 posted on 01/25/2004 7:40:00 PM PST by Chris Tucker
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Iraq had a WMD program. Whether or not it has stockpiles at the time of the invasion could very be a legitimate question. However, much was sent to Syria and Libya, with Egypt's help, before the war according to articles I read before the US went in.

But it should not matter. Saddam's was a terrorist regime. The US is fighting a war on terrorism, all terrorism. Not a war on just WMD, or just Al Queda. Any terrorism. So statements like "Saddam had no links to Al Queda" are idiotic as well.

And Saddam Hussein's regime was a terrorist regime even before 9/11/01.

Finally, Saddam had a regime with the same traits as the Taliban one - and we all know what such a regime resulted in harboring.

30 posted on 01/25/2004 7:40:10 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: oceanview
The Democrats have nothing to stand on, whether we throw quotes they made in 2002 or simply ignore them. The United Nations gave the US the authority to go after Iraq with force back in 1998. I can't recall the resolution, it was put in place for the UN to enforce the sanctions against Iraq, and if Iraq didn't abide by the resolution, the US Administration was already given the green light to go after Saddam. This happend BEFORE the 4 day bombing in Iraq. That and the fact Clinton was a Democrat are why the Democrats were for the use of force, and it was a "wag the dog" fiasco during the Lewinsky scandal.
31 posted on 01/25/2004 7:40:37 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: All
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html

  1. From birth all of Iraq's WMD activities were highly compartmentalized within a regime that ruled and kept its secrets through fear and terror and with deception and denial built into each program;

  2. Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict;

  3. Post-OIF looting destroyed or dispersed important and easily collectable material and forensic evidence concerning Iraq's WMD program. As the report covers in detail, significant elements of this looting were carried out in a systematic and deliberate manner, with the clear aim of concealing pre-OIF activities of Saddam's regime;

  4. Some WMD personnel crossed borders in the pre/trans conflict period and may have taken evidence and even weapons-related materials with them;

  5. Any actual WMD weapons or material is likely to be small in relation to the total conventional armaments footprint and difficult to near impossible to identify with normal search procedures. It is important to keep in mind that even the bulkiest materials we are searching for, in the quantities we would expect to find, can be concealed in spaces not much larger than a two car garage;

  6. The environment in Iraq remains far from permissive for our activities, with many Iraqis that we talk to reporting threats and overt acts of intimidation and our own personnel being the subject of threats and attacks. In September alone we have had three attacks on ISG facilities or teams: The ISG base in Irbil was bombed and four staff injured, two very seriously; a two person team had their vehicle blocked by gunmen and only escaped by firing back through their own windshield; and on Wednesday, 24 September, the ISG Headquarters in Baghdad again was subject to mortar attack.

In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work. The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence - hard drives destroyed, specific files burned, equipment cleaned of all traces of use - are ones of deliberate, rather than random, acts. For example,

YOUR WORDS MR.KAY

32 posted on 01/25/2004 7:40:41 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I may never have the Courage to say some words but i will always have it to say what i believe !!!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
He was the lead inspector, didn't he have access to that intel?
33 posted on 01/25/2004 7:40:47 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107 (HI PRBC !!!))
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To: BigLittle
as yourn reply shows, everybody does it. or are we now hitching our wagons to the dems that we know are untruthful.
34 posted on 01/25/2004 7:41:05 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: CyberAnt
What galls me is the democrats who are yelling the loudest about this are the SAME ONES who were agreeing with Clinton that Saddam and his WMD were such a threat to the world.

Have to say it. Everybody does (said) it.

35 posted on 01/25/2004 7:43:39 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: yonif
Then there's the Salman Pak training camp and Anser Al-Islam, who had close ties to Al-Qaeda, basing their operations in Iraq, and Abu Nidal, the terrorist living in Baghdad that was killed the day we drove into Baghdad, which I suspect was a means to keep him silent about the terrorist ties that were fervent in Saddam's circle of terrorist ties.
36 posted on 01/25/2004 7:43:54 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: DMCA
Of course.
37 posted on 01/25/2004 7:44:45 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
none of these things you mention means anything to the typical american "moderate" voter who will decide the 2004 election. that's not to say they will decide the election on this WMD issue, but it will not cut in Bush's favor if we fail to find the WMD material or produce a coherent story about where it COULD be. right now, none of that is being done. its just a mixed up bag of quotes, and NPR interviews, and denials, and clinton-like statements that need to be parsed, and a daily barrage from the Democratic campaign that goes uncontested.
38 posted on 01/25/2004 7:46:29 PM PST by oceanview
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To: BigSkyFreeper
The Kay report references SH's efforts to buy missles and missil technology from NK. Kay also talks about WMD programs that continued, including research. SH had maneuvered the inspectors out and was ready to re-energize his production of WMD. Anyone in their right mind knew SH was a major risk.

39 posted on 01/25/2004 7:46:53 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: BigSkyFreeper
This is really maddening.
It wasn't just U.S. intelligence, but every other country that produced intel.
Additionally, there is no doubt that LEFT TO HIS OWN DEVICES, Saddam would have pursued various WMD programs and would have loved dearly to get his hands on nuclear weapons.
My thought is Saddam knew darn well sooner or later he was toast. So; hide, bury, destroy, get out of the country, whatever, get rid of your arsenal. Let out your criminals, sock away cash and gold, set up safe houses, give some well places bribes and funding, probably kill a few people who know stuff- all in planning not for the war- but for its aftermath.
40 posted on 01/25/2004 7:49:32 PM PST by visualops (Liberty is both the plan of Heaven for humanity, and the best hope for progress here on Earth-G.W.B.)
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