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The Touchy Question of Reparations-U.S. govt, corps., religious groups fingered as prime culprits
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Posted on 01/25/2004 3:40:59 PM PST by chance33_98

The Touchy Question of Reparations

by Earl Ofari Hutchinson

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In December the Dallas City Council approved a resolution asking Congress to set up a commission to study the feasibility of paying reparations to the black descendants of the victims of slavery. The bill authored by House Democrat John Conyers, Jr. would allocate $8 million to fund the commission. The city council's endorsement of the bill drew the instant wrath of the white council members. They claimed that the reparations issue is to murky and messy, will deepen racial fault lines, demonize the federal government, dredge up a long by-gone past that should be buried, unfairly compare the plight of blacks with other victim groups that have received reparations, and ignores the huge economic and social gains blacks have made since slavery. The slim majority of the council that passed the resolution dismissed these objections. But the reasons the council members objected to it can't easily be dismissed. They, like many Americans, bristle at the notion of paying blacks for slavery.

They fervently believe that the passage of three civil rights bills, numerous affirmative action statutes, piles of court decisions that guarantee civil rights and civil liberties protections, a tepid acknowledgment from Clinton that slavery was wrong, and massive government spending on business, education, housing, health and social programs for blacks have done much to right the historic injustice of slavery and its legacy. Since the toppling of legal segregation the spectacular rise of a wealthier, better-educated, and more upwardly mobile black middle class, they say, is convincing proof that blacks have gone far in shaking loose the legacy of slavery. They also raise these troublesome questions on the reparations issue.



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1 posted on 01/25/2004 3:41:00 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
read for later
2 posted on 01/25/2004 3:45:43 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: chance33_98
bump
3 posted on 01/25/2004 3:48:14 PM PST by arly
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To: chance33_98
Have you ever seen the Dallas City Council?

Atlanta used to draw businesses seeking to relocate in Dallas away from Dallas by showing them video of Dallas City Council meetings. Al Lipscomb and Diane Ragsdale were the two top clowns.

4 posted on 01/25/2004 3:52:20 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: chance33_98
If we have to pay reparations to far removed relatives of slaves then we ought to take it further and be able to put relatives of current prisioners in jail, too for instance.

Since they want to claim liability for their past relatives then they should also claim responsibility for their current relatives.



5 posted on 01/25/2004 3:52:47 PM PST by Danette (Bush 2004)
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To: chance33_98
There is a very serious legal question than needs to be answered before reparations can even be discussed properly. Under what theory of law is " victimhood" an inheritable asset?

Slaves should have been compensated for their labor. I fail to see where you inherit the victim status of your ancestors.

I fail to see where The British Government should compensate me for their failure to compensate my Great Great Grandfather for his land in Avoca, Ireland which was expropriated.
6 posted on 01/25/2004 3:53:54 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: chance33_98
Since the Democrat party was the Party of Slavery, only Democrats should have to pay for reparations!
7 posted on 01/25/2004 3:54:43 PM PST by reg45
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To: chance33_98
More "white" Americans have a black slave ancestor than do "black" Americans.
8 posted on 01/25/2004 3:56:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: reg45
How does one ask for reparations for something that in law at the time, was legal?
9 posted on 01/25/2004 3:59:30 PM PST by TheExperiment_Is_Over
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Ping
10 posted on 01/25/2004 3:59:34 PM PST by chance33_98 (I POST NEWS FROM ALABAMA, FLORIDA, OHIO....YEEEEEEEAAAWWWWWW)
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To: muawiyah
<"More "white" Americans have a black slave ancestor than do "black" Americans". >

Say what??


11 posted on 01/25/2004 3:59:51 PM PST by toomuchcoffee
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To: muawiyah
More "white" Americans have a black slave ancestor than do "black" Americans.

Can you document that? If so, it would be a very powerful argument.

12 posted on 01/25/2004 4:00:16 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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More white Americans have a black slave ancestor than do black Americans.

Everybody who's ever looked into the questions knows that.

First of all, there are simply several times more white Americans than there are black Americans. Of those white Americans, a very large percentage find ancestors in the earliest populations. Outside of New England, it was quite normal for men and women to "marry" outside their own family backgrounds.

The current estimate is that over 50 million "white" Americans have a black slave ancestor.

13 posted on 01/25/2004 4:06:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
More "white" Americans have a black slave ancestor than do "black" Americans.

Did you mean to say:

"More 'black' Americans have a white slave ancestor than do 'white' Americans"?

14 posted on 01/25/2004 4:08:30 PM PST by Polybius
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To: chance33_98
I beleive that every living slave who suffered in bondage after such was made illegal is entitled to reparations.
15 posted on 01/25/2004 4:12:47 PM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: chance33_98
Once again: throughout human history, there has been slavery. The conqueror enslaved the conquered. Endebted people, criminals and the politically incorrect were punished by being thrown into slavery. Slavery is still a fact in Africa, mostly perpetrated by Arabs and smiled upon by the UN. Every human being on the planet has ancestors who were slaves, because everyone's ancestors were conquered at some point in human history. Therefore, each and every one of us owes reparations to each and every other human being on Earth.

If that legal and true argument doesn't work...I can dig up some Irish ancestors, so can I sue the British government for reparations?

16 posted on 01/25/2004 4:15:10 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Polybius
No, I said what I said because there was a tremendous shortage of "white" females during the earliest periods of re-settlement of the Americas. Besides which there was a very high maternal death rate. "Black" women filled in as best they could. We should be proud of them because without our ancient African mothers there would be no modern America worthy of the name.

If you have ancestors outside of New England who were here in the 16th century, or most of the 17th century, I guarantee you have some rather swarthy (black, actually) ancestors!

There is no shame in this.

17 posted on 01/25/2004 4:16:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: tcuoohjohn
"I fail to see where The British Government should compensate me for their failure to compensate my Great Great Grandfather for his land in Avoca, Ireland which was expropriated."

LOL...that's two of us. Let's start a class action suit.

18 posted on 01/25/2004 4:16:44 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
I want Canada returned.
19 posted on 01/25/2004 4:18:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cake_crumb
The case would get awfully complex in that my Ulster Scots Irish ancestors on my father's side expropriated land from indigenous Irish Catholics. Hell...I could wind up OWING money once the accounting was sorted out.

Think I'll let sleeping dogs lie.. When you team up lawyers with accountants you're sure to get fleeced.

( Trust me...I'm a CPA)
20 posted on 01/25/2004 4:25:58 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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