"I Had an Abortion" [Mega-Barf]

Hartford Advocate ^ | 1/22/04 | Lorraine Gengo

[ohioWfan]

I am pro-abortion, proudly so. I see no reason for a woman to go through a long pregnancy and then not want a child. That is the height of irresponsibility.

No. It's the height of murder to do otherwise.

Who has brainwashed you, so that you see the convenience of a woman who has CHOSEN to become pregnant as more important than the life of a child?

[ohioWfan]

"Fetuses".......that is pre-born babies feel pain, Westerner.

They are mutilated, and tortured because they are getting in the way of the comfort and ease of their mother.

The fact that it doesn't bother you indicates a seared conscience. Pray for it to return. You're going to need it sooner or later.

[The Westerner]

"Women, who actually have no natural instinct to have sex, only to procreate..."

I disagree. Women do not have an "instinct" to procreate. Human beings have few instincts, which include sucking, crying, etc.

"As long as Abortion is used as birth control, why worry?"

I don't know any woman who uses abortion rather than birth control. A woman like that would be cavalier, I agree.

"No man is an island, we need to care about each other. All the facts need to be told to a woman. Let them see the Ultrasound of that 'fetus' and see how many woman still make the choice."

I don't agree with the premise that "no man is an island" therefore we are responsible for each other. I do not believe in the ethical argument that I am "my brother's keeper." It's nice of other people to do nice things for me out of kindness, but I don't expect them to, nor do I think they're immoral for not taking care of me.

Facts are readily available to women about abortion. A woman would have to be mentally spaced out not to be aware of the issues on abortion. I don't know any women like that. I believe most doctors will do an ultrasound of the fetus very early in the pregnancy these days. Many women who "choose" abortion will have seen that picture. I don't think it would persuade as many as you think. Each has her own reason for seeking abortion. It's an individual right in a free society, at least until conservatives pass a law against it.

"Brain waves can be detected in the unborn..."

Whether there are brain waves or not, the fetus is not conscious. Human beings are born tabula rasa, as the Ancient Greek philosophers defined the issue. That means we believe at birth the mind is a total blank. Though the potential for brain activity exists in the fetus, consciousness does not. The soul is not there, yet.

"A human zygote will not be anything but a human being."

I agree. But you concede the point by admitting that it "will be" a human being. That's the crucial point. Scientifically, a fetus becomes a human being when it can survive independent of the host, the mother. That is why abortion is not murder. You can kill life, thus my example of killing wasps, but that is different than murder, which applies to human beings.

Now, after making a good faith effort to answer you as best I can, I don't expect to be called a murderer anymore. None of you agree with me. But you have to admit, that as I define it, a fetus is not murdered, a conscious human being is not killed, and a woman is not immoral for aborting a fetus, by my definition, not yours.

I have never called a person who doesn't agree with me on abortion a sinner, a disgusting ghoul, or any other such thing. Someone told me I'd be a killer of my sick parent because of my opinion. That is so off the wall, I can't quite believe it. By what human logic does my belief that the fetus is not yet a human being translate into my being an immoral, unprincipled, callous child to my father?

[mrs tiggywinkle]

I am almost speechless, and certainly grieved, at the arrogance portrayed in your post #60. Not often do I come across someone seemingly SO debased and ruthless in thinking they can 'play God' with the unborn, tossing aside the very miracle of life in such a heartless and vile way. One day you will come to recognize and admit the truth of life. I promise you that.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

**Why not the exact same sensitivity over killing nests of wasps? **

You're kidding, right?

[mrs tiggywinkle]

**Women do not have an "instinct" to procreate.**

Having gone through 4 years of infertility treatments I would beg to differ.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

** I believe most doctors will do an ultrasound of the fetus very early in the pregnancy these days. Many women who "choose" abortion will have seen that picture.**

Women who plan to abort DO NOT seek ultra-sound. They contact the nearest abortion factory. No ultra-sound. Period.

Those who choose life willingly seek medical services for pre-natal care and ultra-sound in the first trimester.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

**Though the potential for brain activity exists in the fetus, consciousness does not. The soul is not there, yet. **

hogwash.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

**Though the potential for brain activity exists in the fetus, consciousness does not. The soul is not there, yet. **

Sorry...should have added: prove it.

[labolarueda]

...and the culture of death continues unabated.

[feanorah]

You honestly don't know why these women would ever feel any sort of shame?

If that's the case then you are certainly not listening to your own words nor are you reading anything you write.

These women are made to feel shamed by their actions by people who could never know what experiences or circumstances led them to the decision they ultimately made.

I'm curious if you would feel the same toward a girl/woman that's been raped or a victim of incest. Should she also be shamed and made to feel like she's evil for terminating her pregnancy.

What a lot of people don't even comprehend is that abortion in various forms has been practiced by women throughout history in myriad ways. Certain herbs, medicines and even extremely hot baths can cause a woman to spontaneously miscarry a fetus.

Until you've personally been in the same situation then you don't have any right to pass judgment on another person for their actions or decisions.

[labolarueda]

"I personally know some women like the ones in the article--people who are proud of killing their own offspring."

I know what you mean.

My sister in-law, although she has never had an abortion, is 100% in favor of it.

I'm now afraid to bring out this issue and talk about it with her or my brother, who agrees with her. Either I have to keep the issue moot, or I'll have to repudiate both of them for good. God knows I've tried many times in the past to make them see the light, but in vain.

[The Westerner]

You can't prove a negative. "The onus of proof is on he who asserts the positive." Thus, if you say that a fetus is aware of itself, in other words, has content in its brain prior to birth, you must prove it. I do not have to prove that which there is no proof for and which, by my definition, cannot be proved.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

**I'm curious if you would feel the same toward a girl/woman that's been raped or a victim of incest.
**What a lot of people don't even comprehend is that abortion in various forms has been practiced by women throughout history in myriad ways.
**Until you've personally been in the same situation then you don't have any right to pass judgment on another person for their actions or decisions. **

Welcome to Free Republic, feanorah....as of January 25, 2004.

Pregnancy from rape and incest is in the low single digit percentile. That's another discussion topic for another time. Since this article is about abortion on demand, perhaps we should stay on subject.

So, because women throughout the ages have sought to end the lives of their unborn children...it's cool?

Are you speaking from 'experience'? Don't assume others aren't as well, feanorah.

[labolarueda]

"They should never have children or reproduce in any manner...."

I was scrolling down the page rather fast, when my eyes caught the above. I moved to next page, but that statement above stuck in my mind. My first reaction had been to disagree with the statement and wanted to respond. Read what I was looking in the page I was and did a "Back" page, but couldn't find the post. Eventually I found it.

"b*tches these women must be."

Nay, they're much more than just b*tches - they're pure evil.

RedMonqey, I agree with the the first quote of yours above!!
I type this as tears are streaming down my face. That woman you quote is evil, no doubt it. She is a fiend and a mutant.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

Re-read your comment to me about proof. Do you not see that you cannot determine for yourself that the child does NOT have a soul? Since you cannot determine that, without a doubt, you would still be in celebration of ending that pre-born child's life?

[PLMerite]

Yeah, these women sure sound like the type I'd like to bring home to meet mom... (/sarcasm)

[feanorah]

"So, because women throughout the ages have sought to end the lives of their unborn children...it's cool?"

Interesting choice of words as I don't recall ever writing nor thinking that abortion was "cool".


"Pregnancy from rape and incest is in the low single digit percentile. That's another discussion topic for another time. Since this article is about abortion on demand, perhaps we should stay on subject."

I'm sorry where was this particular rule posted that the topic at hand was to deal only with abortions that were not the result of incest or rape?

I can understand your correcting me if perhaps I brought up a subject such as "Cats and Rats: A love-hate relationship". Seeing as though I am staying on the topic at hand which appears to be regarding abortion and why many of you posting here think the women who have made that particular decision are evil and must always feel a deep sense of shame for their actions.

I have never personally had an abortion and I hope that I never am in a position where I have to make that decision. I am, however, thankful that I live in a society that gives me a right to have control over my own body.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

I'm a former post abortion counselor, PL. I've known many ladies who suffer(ed) greatly for their past choices, emotionally, spiritually and physically. Once the realization hits of what they chose, most are completely, utterly and humbly repentant. From there they can build new lives and seek to do what is right for the pre-born. Those ladies are worth getting to know. :o)

[The Westerner]

M'am, I am not the ghoul on this thread. Why on earth did you presume I "celebrate" the ending of the fetus' life??? That is too bizarre. Anyway, this is a great moment of celebration for our scientists at JPL. The Mars rover Opportunity landed successfully, fully proving that scientific principle is alive and well in someone's mind. I'm over and out on this thread. Believe it or not, I actually have feelings. And it takes a stronger soul than me to endure the abusive attacks.