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Drudge Ontology: Internet Epistemology: How the Internet is changing the way we live and think.
http://www.evangelsociety.org/francisco/internet.html ^

Posted on 01/21/2004 1:43:01 PM PST by fishtank

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Good essay from a Hillsdale College graduate.
1 posted on 01/21/2004 1:43:04 PM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank
The internet is the anti-christ.
Watch and see.



/ tinfoil hat
2 posted on 01/21/2004 1:45:45 PM PST by eyespysomething (Another American optimist!)
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To: fishtank; *tech_index
Most interesting!

Now if it could give me guidance in teaching ungifted students basic algebraic reasoning!
3 posted on 01/21/2004 2:10:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: fishtank
I have posted some things here that were from my personal experience and have had others post, "I checked with Google and did not find anything so you are lying".

One was the ugly split between Conservatives and Libertarians in a small (30 or 40 members) local organization. Another had to do with past negotiations that involved emminent domain. Neither would ever make the news. That does NOT mean that they don't exist or didn't happen, though. Unfortunately, not everyone realizes this. People who believe that if it cannot be found on Google, it doesn't exist, must live in very small worlds.
4 posted on 01/21/2004 2:14:48 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: Helms
You might be interested in this.
5 posted on 01/21/2004 2:23:25 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: eyespysomething
LOL read the Left Behind series lately?
6 posted on 01/21/2004 2:29:29 PM PST by cyborg
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To: fishtank
We have grown impatient when we want an answer, and we are usually able to find the answer without doing any additional reading in the area.

One of my own predictions is that the internet will actually have a detrimental effect on learning. In the future, we will probably see a time when a computer/internet interface is wired directly into the brain. When this happens, people will be able to instantly have the answer to even the most complex equation or the most obscure bit of knowledge. Languages will be translated instantaneously for example. There will be no need to know how to spell or use grammar correctly when there is a program running in the background to check all your output.

What will happen is many people will no longer see a need to spend large amounts of time learning and mastering a subject- why would they when any question they can think of can be so readily answered? There are long term ramifications of such a phenomenom.

If nobody sees a need to really study a subject you'll have ever fewer people who understand that subject completely enoug toadd to it- in other words, add to the body of knowledge that exists or come up with new ideas and theories.

7 posted on 01/21/2004 2:39:52 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: fishtank
Ping to read at home.
8 posted on 01/21/2004 2:40:06 PM PST by Eaker (Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. - Lazarus Long)
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To: fishtank
There is a lack of anything definite in this article.
The only conclusion he came to was he didnt have any idea where the internet was going.Predictions are more fun to shoot holes into when they are a bit more detailed.
9 posted on 01/21/2004 2:50:09 PM PST by claptrap
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To: Prodigal Son
Thank you much and happy New Year.

"Epistemology" as I understand it is a philosophical concern with the nature of "Knowledge". Changes in time and space have altered our knowledge.

When you view Rush on his dittocam he has split his 22 inch monitor screen and with Matt Drudge on the right hand portion of the split screen and again it automatically refreshes.

In a way I find the article somewhat hyped and in fact I might check FR before Drudge. FR is very aphoristic and is known for detailed analysis of many topics and has more of a blog feel.

Just wait until we have hot spots everywhere.

Postmodernism has been termed "the cultural logic of late capitalism" and has at its core are the effects of "space-time compression".

There seem to me to me to be two worlds- an analog world of nature and human artifacts and a world of digital creation/ recreation.

I enjoyed the Matrix discussions and look forward to pings in the future.

10 posted on 01/21/2004 3:00:04 PM PST by Helms (Liberals believe we are Crash Dummies on the hectic highway of the Cosmos)
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To: Prodigal Son
"a computer/INTERNET interface is wired directly into the brain"

Agreed and whatever help genome research gives. I wonder whether we will not be able to do this eventually noninvasively.

The INTERNET is a external symbolic storage device and is an extension of what we humans have been up to for a long time.

I recall when Neo was providing a bootleg datafile illicitly in Matrix. Bladerunner, Matrix, 13th Floor and Existenz are part of Postmodern/ cyberpunk movie pic's but as science fiction have some real posible truth to them excepting some of the dismal outlook.

11 posted on 01/21/2004 3:12:24 PM PST by Helms (Liberals believe we are Crash Dummies on the hectic highway of the Cosmos)
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To: fishtank
Remember when Clintoon was running around claiming how everthing was going to be 'transparent'? Transparency, that's all you heard.
12 posted on 01/21/2004 3:13:10 PM PST by txhurl
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To: fishtank
I was on FreeRepublic when the first plane hit the WTC on 9/11.
13 posted on 01/21/2004 3:15:29 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Prodigal Son
"What will happen is many people will no longer see a need to spend large amounts of time learning and mastering a subject- why would they when any question they can think of can be so readily answered? There are long term ramifications of such a phenomenom."

In the "Matrix" example, maybe a market will develop that will pay people a premium to do a particular job, limited only by what you are willing to download into your brain.

i.e. Do I "REALLY" want to download the "reindeer herding" app and then go out and wrestle reindeer?




14 posted on 01/21/2004 3:23:24 PM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank
How to fly a Helicopter, by Dave Barry

Although flying a helicopter may seem very difficult, the truth is that if you can drive a car, you can, with just a few minutes of instruction, take the controls of one of these amazing machines.

Of course, you would immediately crash and die. This is why you need to remember :

RULE ONE OF HELICOPTER PILOTING :
Always have somebody sitting right next to you who actually knows how to fly the helicopter and can snatch the controls away from you because the truth is that helicopters are nothing at all like cars.
Cars work because of basic scientific principles that everybody understands, such as internal combustion, and parallel parking. Whereas scientists still have no idea what holds helicopters up.
"Whatever it is, it could stop at any moment," is their current feeling. This leads us to :

RULE TWO OF HELICOPTER PILOTING :
Maybe you should forget the intire thing.

This is what I was thinking recently as I stood outside a small airport in South Florida where I was about to take my first helicopter lesson. This was not my idea. This was the idea of Pam Gallina-Raissiguer, a pilot who flies radio reporters over Miami during rush hour so they can alert drivers to traffic problems.
I began having severe doubts when I saw Pam's helicopter. This was a small helicopter. It looked like it should have a little slot where you insert quarters to make it go up and down. I knew that if we got airborne in a helicopter this size in South Florida, some of our larger tropical flying insects could very well attempt to mate with us.

Also, this helicopter had no doors. As a Frequent Flyer, I know for a fact that all your leading United States airlines, despite being bankrupt, maintain a strict safety policy of having doors on their aircraft.

"Don't we need a larger helicopter?" I asked Pam, "with doors?"
"Get in," said Pam.

Now we're in the helicopter and Pam is explaining the controls to me over the headset. But there's static and the engine is making a lot of noise.

"........your throttle [something]," she is saying. "This is your cyclic and [something] your collective".
"What?" I say.
"[something] give you the controls when we reach 130 metres," Pam says.
"WHAT?", I say.

But Pam is not listening. She is moving a control thing and WHOOAA we are off the ground, hovering, and now, WHOOOOOAAAA, we are shooting up in the air, and there are still no doors on this particular helicopter.

Now Pam is giving me the main control thing.

RULE THREE OF HELICOPTER PILOTING :
If anyone tries to give you the main control thing, refuse to take it!

Pam says : "You don't need hardly any pressure to ........"

AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

"Now that was too much pressure," Pam says.

Now I am flying the helicopter. I AM FLYING THE HELICOPTER. I am flying it by not moving a single body part for fear of jiggling the control thing. I look like the Lincoln Memorial Statue of Abraham Lincoln, only more rigid.

"Make a right turn," Pam is saying.

I gingerly move the control thing one zillionth of an inch to the right and the helicopter LEANS OVER TOWARDS MY SIDE AND THERE IS STILL NO DOOR HERE. I instantly move the thing one zillionth of an inch back.

"I'm not turning right," I inform Pam.
"What?" she says.
"Only left turns," I tell her. When you've been flying helicopters as long as I have, you know your limits.

After a while it becomes clear to Pam that if she continues to allow the Lincoln Statue to pilot the helicopter, we are going to wind up flying in a straight line until we run out of fuel, possibly over Antartica, so she takes the control thing back. That is the good news. The bad news is she is now saying something about demonstrating an "emergency proceedure".

"It's for when your engine dies," says Pam
"It's called auto-rotation. Do you like amusement park rides?"

I say, "No, I DOOOOOOO............."

RULE FOUR OF HELICOPTER PILOTING :
Auto-rotation means "coming down out of the sky at about the same speed and aerodynamic stability as that of a forklift dropped from a bomber."
Now we're close to the ground (although my stomach is still at 130 meters) and Pam is completing my training by having me hover the helicopter.

RULE FIVE OF HELICOPTER PILOTING :
You can't hover the helicopter.

The idea is to hang over one spot on the ground. I am hovering over an area about the size of Australia. I am swooping around like a crazed bumblebee. If I were trying to rescue a person from the roof of a 100 storey burning building, the person would realise that it would be safer to simply jump. At times I think I am hovering upside down. Even Pam looks nervous.

So I am very happy when we finally get back on the ground. Pam tells me I did great and she'd be glad to take me up again. I tell her that sounds like a fun idea.

RULE SIX OF HELICOPTER PILOTING :
Sometimes you have to lie.

15 posted on 01/21/2004 3:26:11 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Prodigal Son
or come up with new ideas and theories.

So if a heart surgeon finds a specific problem that requires materials technology information, and the heart surgeon references his neural interface to download the latest information about specific polymers that may have an application in his field, is nothing added?

The cardiologist is looking for an answer to the question to enhance the knowledge base of his chosen field. In fact, the surgeon will have to actually interface with some grimey (and probably smelly) polymer guy to work out the details of the transaction. Enhancing both the professions.

The internet isn't about information. It's about links between seemingly unrelated pieces of information.

/john

16 posted on 01/21/2004 3:27:04 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook. And a unix sys-admin. Call for my contract rate.)
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To: fishtank
Do you think we will be able to just dump the data or use a program to clean files. I suspect we have plenty of untapped storage.

What really concerns me is videoconferencing in cars.

17 posted on 01/21/2004 3:35:51 PM PST by Helms (Liberals believe we are Crash Dummies on the hectic highway of the Cosmos)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm not talking about the heart surgeon. I'm talking about the average person.

So, from your persepective, I gather that you believe that once language translation is instantaneous, totally accurate and ubiquitous, there will be more people learning language?

You are entitled to this opinion of course but I disagree. I believe when all people have access to instant language translation at all times no matter where they go there will be less people bothering to take the time to learn a second language.

I saw this happen in the military with the coming of GPS systems. Ever fewer soldiers and leaders could really read a map. There was no great incentive to learn when a device was always there to tell you where you were or which direction you needed to go.

And by the way, I'm talking about the future not the present and I'm talking about humans that you would not recongize as humans. Augmented humans. Humans who are all connected to each other all the time. When every thought or image that we see can be transmistted instantly to the whole world. When people rely more on man-made sensory organs than on their own biological ones. A time when there is no true distinction between the biological and the electronic.

I'm not saying something negative about the internet- I love the internet- I'm saying something negative about humans. There is a distinction there.

18 posted on 01/21/2004 3:52:43 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: fishtank
read later
19 posted on 01/21/2004 4:26:41 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: fishtank
bttt
20 posted on 01/21/2004 4:28:16 PM PST by Principled
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