New Research Shows Dangers of Condoms in HIV Prevention

SeaMax News ^ | 1/14/2004 | Fr. Michael Reilly

[Eva]

I should add, that what was proven is that the virus is so fragile, that it had little chance of surviving long enough to pass through the micro-scopic openings in the latex, not that it was not possible.

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - AIDS is prevented by by one thing and one thing only.


And it works every time it's tried.

If anyone wants:

(A) ON
or
(B) OFF

this ping list, ping me!

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - AIDS is prevented by by one thing and one thing only.


And it works every time it's tried.

If anyone wants:

(A) ON
or
(B) OFF

this ping list, ping me!

[little jeremiah]

Sorry for the duplicate!~

[Old Professer]

You guys can argue about this as long as you like; me, being a recent small-earth convert, will take good news wherever I find it.

[antiRepublicrat]

Are you sure it was "hours"? (how many hours?)

I read it a long time ago so I can't remember specifics, but it was an absurdly long time. My feeling at the time after reading about the research methods were that they were completely unrealistic.

It's the same reaction I'd have to an anti-smoking group telling you you'll get X tar and Y nicotine off a cigarette, and their tests hook a vacuum to the back of a cigarette from light time to finish, including what you get from the burning butt. Just not real-world.

[Killborn]

"All cultures are equal!"

I remember talking to someone about how we shouldn't impose our ideas and values as that might upset them. Reading stuff like this makes me think that we should impose and if they don't like it, tough.

They'll thank us later.

[Polycarp IV]

This is an ages old rumor that has it's origins with the abstinence-is-the-only-answer fundamentalists. It was long ago proven to be utter nonsense.

IIRC, in their "research" they filled condoms with a fluid containing millions of microscopic balls the size of the virus.

Regardless of whether this point is valid, condoms have a 20% failure rate in real world usage in preventing pregnancy.

A woman can only get pregnant 7 to 10 days per months, if the condom fails.

But she can get HIV 365 days a year.

So by simple math, the failure rate at preventing HIV transmission for condoms will be MUCH higher than 20%, as the article in this thread proves.

[zimdog]

Then SAVAGE is an idiot who thinks Africa is a country.

[tdadams]

My feeling at the time after reading about the research methods were that they were completely unrealistic.

It was probably like a lot of "research" that's put forth by those with a vested interest in swaying public opinion, come to a conclusion first and then find a way to get to that conclusion.

[tdadams]

condoms have a 20% failure rate in real world usage in preventing pregnancy.

I'm sure you won't mind linking me to a legitimate study that affirms the 20% figure you mention. Frankly, that seems utterly implausible, even when factoring in human error.

[r9etb]

According to Dr. Rand Stoneburner (formerly of the WHO and an independent advisor to USAID), "declines of HIV in Uganda are linked to behavior change…[and] include primary risk avoidance with a 65% decline in casual sex."

I think this is the very first time I've ever seen an "AIDS official" actually say this obvious fact in public.

[antiRepublicrat]

condoms have a 20% failure rate in real world usage in preventing pregnancy.

... when used improperly. Of course abstinence is the best way to prevent STDs, but the scare tactics of the abstinence crowd go overboard. For people with intelligence, the outrageous claims and connections make them a laughingstock just as are most of the ONDCP anti-drug commercials out there.

[ReagansShinyHair]

I'm sure you won't mind linking me to a legitimate study that affirms the 20% figure you mention. Frankly, that seems utterly implausible, even when factoring in human error.

I've seen this figure before, too. IIRC it's much lower, around single digits, with "perfect use". I think the 20% is with "typical use", meaning all the times people don't bother to use one or they use it incorrectly. For all I know, people in African countries use a condom once a year, thinking it's some sort of magical charm instead of understanding how it's really supposed to work. I guess that would make for a pretty high typical failure rate, too.

[RobbyS]

No more nonsensical than the claim that the distribution of condoms will stop the spread of AIDS, even in the developed countries. Irresponsible behavior kills people.

[RobbyS]

They'll thank us later. You mean the gays will thank the cops for stopping orgies? I thought the whole point of the gay rights movement is to keep the people from hasseling them?

[RobbyS]

You think many 16-year old kids will bother to use them correctly? Yeah, like they drive their cars in accordance with the rules of the road.

[Killborn]

I was talking about foreign cultures and traditions/ideas that are morally and ethically wrong to anyone with several brain cells (of course the libs don't have any). In any case, I was saying that we should impose our culture so we no longer have to deal with the kind of BS we have in the Middle East and Africa.

I wasn't thinking about the gay factor at all.

[RobbyS]

It is not all a matter of primative culture. Thailand has a terrific problem with AIDS and other STDs because of the sex-tourists from places like Germany and Japan.

[Killborn]

I'm not just talking AIDS, I'm talking most problems in general. The culture problem goes both ways. We not only have to deal with barbaric, primitive culture as seen in Africa and the Arab world, we also have to deal with nihilistic, self absorbed culture as espoused by libs.

When I say "our" culture, I meant one of freedom, responsibility, and justice, the true ideals and values of America.