Terrorist threats to destroy US city posted on internet

UK Herald ^ | Jan. 15, 2004 | IAN BRUCE

[FairOpinion]

US and British intelligence services are investigating a series of alleged al Qaeda internet warnings predicting a terror attack which would "destroy an entire American city".

The messages, posted on a number of Islamic websites over the last week, say the countdown to attack has already begun.

They claimed it would be "an even stronger strike than nuclear weapons".

They also warn that unless the US and its allies withdraw immediately from Iraq, Afghanistan, and all other Muslim countries, the terror network has ordered the elimination of American leaders and their supporters. The post of most concern to Western intelligence has appeared three times in three days on a radical Islamic internet forum called the Mujahideen Network.

It claimed to be "from the Islamic nation to the American people" and boasted that its forces now had the ability to wipe out an entire city.

A security source said last night: "There is no way of determining whether these warnings are genuine or wishful thinking on the part of extremists. "But there are disturbing parallels with the background threat-level chatter which preceded the September 11 attacks in 2001."

The investigation came as the UN said almost 100 countries should be "named and shamed" for failing to enforce international sanctions against known members of al Qaeda and its Taliban allies and to block the flow of money and arms to the groups.

[John H K]

In general we provide MANY sources -- you, never have a single source for your denial of the existence of the threat.
But here is a specific source for the chemical plant vulnerability issue --- a letter signed by a bunch of Dems at that -- but they are quoting other specific government sources as well, we are not just taking the Dems word for it.

Nice creation of a strawman; I never claimed that there was absolutely no danger to people near chemical plants.

I questioned the validity of the claim that there are 123 chemical sites that would each kill 1 million people or more if they exploded, which, frankly, strikes me as beyond ridiculous.

The way exaggerations and miscommunications begin is the changing of ONE word each time; possible that the original claim was some sort of mistaken modification of the Senatorial letter claim.

There's a VAST difference between "expose" and "kill". The first Senate document(given the authors are two radical Left-wingers and a backstabbing party-switcher, what's with all the love for Leftist sources in this thread?) make a vague claim about "a terrorist attack could expose more than 1 million people to toxic gases." They never actually provide a specific source for THAT numerical claimm, but do go on to site sources that there could be a threat to chemical plants.

The second GAO document claims "could harm hundreds of thousands." Again, a VAST gulf to "over a million killed." And "harm" again, isn't "killed."

Words matter.

[Travis McGee]

My favorite part of the game of chess is saying Check Mate.

Check Mate, John. You know what I mean.

[Quix]

And your take on this is???

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Iraq Attack in Works

Terror expert Mansoor Ijaz says chemical weapons came in from Iran

January 14, 2004


This is a partial transcript of Special Report with Brit Hume, Jan. 13, that has been edited for clarity.


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BRIT HUME, HOST: The administration is not saying anything about this, and it is not even clear officials know anything about it. But some sources in Iraq are talking about a development that could prove an important turn in the search for weapons of mass destruction. For more on this we turn to the man who so often seems to know things before everybody else.


Fox News foreign affairs analyst Mansoor Ijaz, who joins us now from Berlin.


Mansoor, what's up?

MANSOOR IJAZ, FOX NEWS FOREIGN POLICY ANALYST: Well, Brit, what I have learned in the last 24 hours is that about three days ago in the northern part of Iraq, a convoy of trucks and jeeps and cars was brought across from Iran where some of the Kurdish Peshmergah -- these are these
Kurdish rebels that are sort of like Mujahideen, if I may put it that way, from the old Afghan War.

They intercepted one of those trucks that were carrying a large warhead that had extremely sophisticated plastic -- C- 4 plastic explosives in it. And when the driver of that truck was put under interrogation, he then admitted that as many -- there were a total of 30 warheads that
apparently were scheduled to come across.

One of them got caught, and 29 made it across somehow or the other. Of those 29, we are told now that somewhere between six and 12 of them may have, in fact, been laden with chemical explosives that would be then attached to
a rocket of some sort inside Iraq that's already there in a separate convoy.


And that those warheads would then be exploded over, for example, an encampment near the Coalition Provisional Authority or something like that.


Now, what alarmed me about this and the reason that I felt it was necessary to get this out as soon as possible, is because I have now heard three times in the last week, from separate sources that I have been talking to that
something big is being planned for Baghdad.


In which the idea that is being put forward is to kill as many as 3,000 to 5,000 people at one shot; something that would be similar to a World Trade Center type of attack. In that part of the world, the only way you could get that done is if you launched a massive chemical or biological attack.


HUME: Now, talk to me a little bit about the Kurdish forces who were involved in this event. Are these -- are they friendly to the United States and the coalition? Are they not? And what -- you know, and how credible are they?


IJAZ: Yes. It's a good question. The strange thing here is that what I have been told is that the sources that got this information out, what they saw on the ground physically going on is that the Kurdish leaders that had
the Kurdish rebels that had caught this guy had taken the warhead and were actually trying to sell it back to the Iranians along with their silence.


Because there's something else going on here that's of a larger political nature. We now know that during the past week, the reformists in Iran have been pummeled and stopped from allowing their candidates to be fielded for
the upcoming elections.


We also know that there is, as we have said here before about a month and a half, two months ago, that there is a wintertime offensive being prepared with the help of the Iranian and Revolutionary Guard in Afghanistan, maybe with the help of Al Qaeda, maybe even bin Laden, al Zawahiri, and people like that who, as we've said here before, are in
Iran right now.


And at the same time, they're trying to launch something in Iraq. The idea of which would be the wag the dog scenario, where if your domestic politics, you can't fix it, and it's getting too much pressure under honor the
mullahs in Iran right now. Better to start the fire and ratchet it up a notch on both sides outside, both in Afghanistan and Iraq at the same time.


HUME: Now, how great a likelihood do you believe that you are finding this out or others finding this out, and it getting out, will have on it actually happening?


IJAZ: Well, I think the first thing we've got to do is go and talk to those Kurdish rebels and find out where the heck those other convoy trucks went.


The second thing that we need to do, and I talked with General McInerney earlier this evening to determine what the range is, what type of warheads would be used and how these things could be put together. He made a very strong recommendation, and I agree with that, that we need
to get Global Hawk One back in theater. Because if these things...


HUME: That thing out of there now?


IJAZ: ... these chemical warheads were attached -- they are out of there right now, and they're not in theater. And the trouble is that they're in desolate areas in which these rockets could be launched from. And remember, a chemical weapon, to have massive -- the most massive
impact that it can have to have a midair burst.


Which means that it needs to be launched from, let's say, 100 kilometers away or 50 kilometers away or 200 kilometers away.


These are areas that our people are just not, you know, focused on right now because we've got so much work to do in and around the urban areas in Iraq. So I think we need to get down to finding out where that convoy of 29
warheads are and do that immediately. And get our Kurdish friends to help us rather than trying to sell them back to the Iranians. That doesn't make any sense.


HUME: Oh, we've got just a few seconds left. The credible of your sources, your assessment?


IJAZ: They're unimpeachable. Again, I think they've been right all along. We'll find out in the coming days in a print report about the bin Laden story in great detail. Everything has been verified. We will see that.


HUME: Thank you Mansoor.


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[Travis McGee]

Interesting. We have (months back) found intact Frog missiles in Iraq, I think they are like 50-100 KM range.

[FairOpinion]

"Damned if you do and dead if you don’t. I don’t envy those that have to make the call."

==

I think you summed it up.

[Unknowing]

There seems to be no real reason to attempt to discredit the efforts of Freepers and the Northeast Intelligence Network to apply intellectual skills to comprehending the terrorist threat.

Similarly, there seems to be no real reason to underestimate the cunning of our enemy. The jihadist's published threats, even as they describe them, may be possible.

The tone of the times seems to be a watchful tone. We are all watching out for our country.

[Texasforever]

Damn that was good.

[FairOpinion]

Thanks for posting the Ijaz interview. I missed it.

He is very knowledgeable and well plugged into events.

[Unknowing]

Thank you. The admiration of a Texan is worth more than a pound of gold to me.

[meadsjn]

It was the boots.

[Texasforever]

Ah shucks. LOL

[Lucy Lake]

Pinging you to # 63.

[Salvey]

We're dealing with TWO threats at the same time -- Muslim extremists and illegal immigration. You make a dangerous mistake if you don't realize the gravity of both.

And you make a dangers mistake if you don't realize the linkage of both.

[Texasforever]

Uh, the largest terroist attack in history was made by "legal" immigrants.

[Atlantic Friend]

While there's every reason to stay alert, I think you're right. Their constant threatening is, for the time being, a sign of their inability to act.

Well, at least they could try to be funny about their hoax attacks. Something like "Punxutawney's groundhog embraces Islam ; American Satan condemned to eternal winter".

[DooDahhhh]

Make that 2 American Butts!!!

[RaceBannon]

Meanwhile, Our Hero and Heroine....

I cant believe this stuff.

Even the Vets here dont remember their NBC training.

It would take 10 Fuel Tankers full of some cyanide like material to kill a city, on a calm day, low wind, no rain, and everyone standing in the street waiting for it to happen.

I am not denying a tanker truck full of cyanide could kill quite a few, cities are so spread out, even manhattan, that to kill tens of thousands would be a iracle on their part.

The only threat would be a subway in rush hour, and a tanker truck in the subway itself or something!

The amount of material needed to do something like this is NOT IN EXISTANCE even HERE in the US!!

If anything, it will be small, but multiple incidents or something, this cannot happen with bio/chem like we are hearing.

They only way they can take a city out is with a genuine nuke. Look to the Russians.

[tbpiper]

crazy Islamikazis are trying to start World War III ...

Uh...guys....it's already started.

[Lazamataz]

Uh...guys....[World War III has] already started.

I hate when they start wars and don't tell me.

[tbpiper]

Mecca, after.

It will probably be the result of one of those 'work place' accidents those A-rabb explosives 'experts' have with fair regularity.