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Communion ban on lawmakers who back abortion starts furor
Chicago Sun-Times ^
| January 11, 2004
| Juliet Williams (A.P.)
Posted on 01/11/2004 8:00:28 AM PST by Holly_P
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To: Felis_irritable
"The problem with it is that elected officials have to represent people of all faiths and none..."
And those who publicly advocate against the doctrines of their own faith have none.
To: Holly_P
If you don't like the rules, don't join the "club" Any faith has the right to make it's own rules. Some churches might vote other have an authority the speaks ex cathedra. If you don't like it, do what Dr. Dean did and join another church.
To: BlackElk
Thank you for the information contained in the first paragraph of your reply.`
I am looking for articles about Protestant leaders condemning the stance of pro abortion politicians.
"Protestant" is a big umbrella and covers many different denominations and as such, leaders don't have a way to tell Protestant politicains to align themselves with Church teachings.
If you have any links to articles where Protestant leaders are condemning pro abortionist politicians. I would appreciate them. Thanks, Holly
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posted on
01/11/2004 8:47:54 AM PST
by
Holly_P
To: BlackElk
MILWAUKEE -- A Roman Catholic bishop who waded into politics with...
Very difficult to proceed through the article when the first line is as spurious as this. The good bishop is performing his appointed duty; that's not politics!
To: ladylib
Apparently, you can't have your cake and eat it too anymore.
Hey, good one.
To: Holly_P
God didn't say, "I put before you this day, Life, Death and politics."
"Therefore," He did say, "Choose Life."
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posted on
01/11/2004 9:19:17 AM PST
by
onedoug
To: NonValueAdded
I'm Henry The Eighth, I Am
Herman's Hermits
(Murray/Weston)
- written in 1911
- popularized in England by Harry Champion
I'm Henry the eighth I am
Henry the eighth I am, I am
I got married to the widow next door
She's been married seven times before
And every one was an Henry (Henry)
She wouldn't have a Willy or a Sam (no Sam)
I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry
Henry the eighth I am
Second verse same as the first
To: muir_redwoods
"
Any faith has the right to make it's own rules."We might think so, however, there are many churches which might not believe that after being forced to hire homosexuals on their staffs. Then there is that church in Kansas who kicked out a member for a morals charge and were successfully sued by same when the court decided that it had authority over who the church could have as members.
It looks like "separation of church and state" only goes one way.
To: muir_redwoods
Exactly!
If you cannot or will not accept the ex cathedra teaching of the Catholic Church you have no right to call yourself a Catholic for political gain.
They can call themselves lapsed Catholics as some do. They can find a congregationalist church somewhere that believes as they do.
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posted on
01/11/2004 9:51:37 AM PST
by
e5man_r_u?
(A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
To: Drango
And Mr. Harkin and Mr. Durbin and Ms Landrieu and the lady from Wash. state
To: Holly_P
" Obey said Burke can instruct him on faith and morals in his private life, but should use ''persuasion, not dictation'' to affect his political votes."
If he thinks the Bishop's instructions conflict with his beliefs in public, like a good pharisee, he should find another religion.
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01/11/2004 9:59:09 AM PST
by
OpusatFR
(Al Dean and Howard Gore, the Rainmen, definitely, definitely)
To: Holly_P
This isn't the first time a Catholic bishop has "waded into politics" ---
Tom Daschle's Duty to Be Morally Coherent
A Weekly Standard Exclusive: The Senate minority leader is ordered to stop calling himself a Catholic.
by J. Bottum
04/17/2003 12:00:00 PM
TOM DASCHLE may no longer call himself a Catholic. The Senate minority leader and the highest ranking Democrat in Washington has been sent a letter by his home diocese of Sioux Falls, sources in South Dakota have told The Weekly Standard, directing him to remove from his congressional biography and campaign documents all references to his standing as a member of the Catholic Church.
This isn't exactly excommunication--which is unnecessary, in any case, since Daschle made himself ineligible for communion almost 20 years ago with his divorce and remarriage to a Washington lobbyist. The directive from Sioux Falls' Bishop Robert Carlson is rather something less than excommunication--and, at the same time, something more: a declaration that Tom Daschle's religious identification constitutes, in technical Catholic vocabulary, a grave public scandal. He was brought up as a Catholic, and he may still be in some sort of genuine mental and spiritual relation to the Church. Who besides his confessor could say? But Daschle's consistent political opposition to Catholic teachings on moral issues--abortion, in particular--has made him such a problem for ordinary churchgoers that the Church must deny him the use of the word "Catholic." <--snip-->
Tom Daschle's Duty to Be Morally Coherent
If there is any "separation of church and state" to be done here, it is on the part of the politicians who use their so-called Catholicism to garner votes.
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posted on
01/11/2004 9:59:23 AM PST
by
arasina
(So there.)
To: e5man_r_u?
They can find a congregationalist church somewhere that believes as they do. Episcopalian, actually. Otherwise known as "Red Door Catholics."
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posted on
01/11/2004 10:01:35 AM PST
by
Grut
To: NonValueAdded
"...a new church..."
Henry the 8th did it for his convenience, this is nothing new. He couldn't get permission from The Churh to divorce, so he formed THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND, if I remember correctly.
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posted on
01/11/2004 10:05:49 AM PST
by
Blue Collar Christian
(Part of the Vast Right Wing Apparatus since Ford lost. ><BCC>)
To: Grut
Which is why I converted to the Catholic Chuch.
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posted on
01/11/2004 10:19:14 AM PST
by
e5man_r_u?
(A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
To: Blue Collar Christian
[he] did it for his convenience ... exactly, so what is to make us think his crop of politicians won't seek a similar convenience from their church? I realize we won't see a new religion start up soon. Or will we? Look at what is happening with the Episcopalians. It is convenient to exempt ones views from God's law.
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posted on
01/11/2004 10:35:53 AM PST
by
NonValueAdded
("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
To: Republic If You Can Keep It
I loved this story, but then realized that that this principle could be applied to other issues, as well. The Pope was pretty clearly against US action in Iraq, and the Catholic Church has been firmly and unquivocally opposed to the death penalty for some time now (so it is not merely a difference of opinion having to do with one Pope). What if an elected official is exluded from communion for voting for miltary action in Iraq or for voting for a federal death penalty statute, or for voting against abolishing the death penalty? I am not saying that the Church cannot do this, but simply that this principle is a two-edged sword.
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posted on
01/11/2004 10:41:01 AM PST
by
Montfort
To: Montfort
The Pope was pretty clearly against US action in Iraq, and the Catholic Church has been firmly and unquivocally opposed to the death penalty for some time now (so it is not merely a difference of opinion having to do with one Pope). What if an elected official is exluded from communion for voting for miltary action in Iraq or for voting for a federal death penalty statute, or for voting against abolishing the death penalty? Can't happen. None of those things are doctrine. Abortion is, so the bishop had a perfect right to do what he did.
To: BlackElk
If only the German Bishops had been this courageous 70 years ago.
The tragic truth is that there are little Auschwitzes spread across this great nation. And, they have killed more people than all the Nazi concentration camps combined.
We call it womens rights. But, since when is it moral to bestow the right to a woman or a man to kill another human?
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posted on
01/11/2004 10:49:35 AM PST
by
Barnacle
(A Human Shield against the onslaught of Leftist tripe.)
To: ladylib
"What does this have to do with separation of church and state? The government isn't telling the pols they can't be Catholic and be pro-abortion -- the Catholic Church is."
It is about the 1st amendment right to free association. The private group can define its membership. The Catholic Church is a private group that opposes abortion. Those who don't oppose abortion are not members.
This kind of mistake is made by the media all the time.
They don't have a church-state problem with positions they approve of....they forget that the civil rights movement was led by churches.
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