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Politician would ban dirty words from TV
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Posted on 01/11/2004 6:13:51 AM PST by conservativefromGa

Politician would ban dirty words from TV He's angry that FCC failed to act

Edward Epanuary 9, 2004

Rep. Doug Ose of Sacramento has seven dirty words very much on his mind, courtesy of such free speakers as U2 singer Bono and Nicole Richie, the rich kid co-star of "The Simple Life.''

Fed up with recent repeated instances of broadcast TV networks allowing language that many people would deem offensive to be aired live, the Republican House member has introduced a bill that spells out the seven awful words that would be banned from the public air waves in all their forms and all their meanings -- "including verb, adjective, gerund, participle, and infinitive forms,'' as the bill says.

Among the words are such swear-word standbys as those used for excrement, fornication, urine and parts of the body. The list includes one word, a -- h -- , twice, as one word, and in its compound form to leave no doubt Ose wants it banned.

The proposal, which seems headed for a hearing before the House Energy and Commerce Committee after Congress returns to work later this month, has stirred a vigorous debate.

On one side are those, including Ose, who say recent Federal Communications Commission decisions declining to sanction broadcasters for airing offensive language are unacceptable to the majority of Americans, particularly those with young children. On the other side are free speech advocates who say government should get out of the censorship business and that parents should monitor their kids' TV watching to make sure they don't see programs that might include raw language.

"There just isn't any way I want to hear that stuff coming out of my TV on the public airwaves,'' Ose said Thursday. "My kids and my neighbors' kids shouldn't have to hear that stuff.''

Ose's anger was touched off by an incident last January and the resulting FCC decision not to fine television stations for airing the Golden Globe awards show during which Bono blurted out, "This is really, really f -- brilliant.''

The five-member FCC ruled that Bono's words didn't measure up to its standard for indecency because he was using the dirty word as an adjective, not in a sexual context.

Since then, a few other incidents over the publicly owned broadcast airwaves have also garnered attention and the anger of those who say broadcasters are stooping ever lower in the race for viewers against unregulated cable TV and other entertainment.

On The Billboard Awards show Dec. 10 on the Fox network, Richie said, "Why do they even call it the 'Simple Life?' Have you ever tried to get cow s -- out of a Prada purse? It's not so f -- simple.'' The FCC hasn't acted yet on Richie's words, which were broadcast even though the program was on a five-second delay designed to bleep out such talk.

Fox apologized for its failure to bleep out Richie's comments.

Ose has had enough. "If the commission wants to split hairs on this, that's fine," he said. "I and a number of my colleagues will be happy to hold them down and shave their heads for them.''

So far, he has one co-sponsor, Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, but expects many more when the House returns.

The Senate is considering similar bills. One, by Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., condemns the FCC decision on Bono's words and calls for stiffer penalties. Another, by Sen. Ernest Hollings, D-S.C., also calls for tougher action.

One legal expert on censorship, Craig Smith of Cal State University Long Beach, said Ose's one-paragraph proposal, HR3687, seemed to be drafted narrowly enough to withstand legal challenges.

Current broadcast law on dirty words stems from a 1974 ruling involving comedian George Carlin and Pacifica Radio. The courts ruled that because Carlin used seven dirty words on an afternoon show on radio, "a uniquely pervasive medium'' available for free to everyone, the FCC could ban those words.

Ose is trying to close the loophole that let Bono say f -- by writing a law that would ban the words in any usage or connotation, noted Smith, who is director of the Center for First Amendment Studies at Cal State Long Beach.

But even though it's legal, the proposal isn't a good idea, he added. "I think you have to demonstrate that there's a harm'' by allowing dirty words on the public airwaves. "That's a burden they can't meet.''

Another broadcasting expert, Robert J. Thompson of Syracuse University, said the proposal was "just so infantile, so juvenile,'' especially because Ose's bill spells out the words it says should be banned.

"It reminds me of a bunch of 8-year-olds looking those words up in the dictionary and laughing uproariously,'' he said.

"Don't get me wrong, I'm sympathetic, but the only reason to bar this is protect the ears of children. But if everything on TV or radio has to be OK for the age of 6, then nothing can be more sophisticated than that,'' said Thompson, a professor of TV and popular culture.'' He suggested that parents more closely monitor their kids' viewing habits.

But Ose says such oversight frequently isn't possible today, because of changes in family life. "There are a lot of latchkey kids,'' said the congressman, who has daughters ages 11 and 9, referring to the number of children home alone after school while their parents work. "I don't want to be sitting there when a guy blurts something out over the TV and have my daughters ask me what those words mean.''

He also said his bill had to use the dirty words and spell out all potential usages because "I'm trying to give a statutory prohibition to the provisions the FCC has today.''

The effort to force the FCC to crackdown has attracted the support of the Parents Television Council, a group whose Web site includes a link allowing viewers to complain about alleged obscenity directly to the FCC.

Brent Bozell, the council's president, said Fox's apology over the Richie incident was unconvincing.

"I encourage parents, Capitol Hill leaders and other family organizations not to be duped by such a meaningless apology and by Fox's latest attempt to back-pedal from an obvious ploy to titillate and shock audiences with indecent programming," he said on his group's Web site.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fcc; hr3687; profanity
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To: FreeReign
Read slowly what you said and then read slowly what I said and observe that I followed your usage of the impersonal "you" in a sentence with my own usage of the impersonal "you" in a sentence.

You are not even emotionally capable of having a levelheaded debate. Take you wus comment and stick it!

LOL... I carefully said If you are implying it - dont be a wus - come out and say it! --- Why don't you read more carefully? I said IF -- If you were not implying that I was for obscenity, then I did not call you a wus.

I read your post a couple times and it could be taken a couple of ways, that is why I asked what you intended. I thought it was a levelheaded thing to do.

It is just a matter of time for broadcast tv to catch up with some of the stuff of cable, yea its not the best thing in the world, but its not the worst. I just think politicians grabbing headlines are a worse problem.

We get all the movie channels on cable, and it seams all we watch is Forensic Files... and South Park!

Thanks for the kind words.

41 posted on 01/11/2004 3:19:03 PM PST by Mark was here (My fan club: "Go abuse some family member, as I'm sure is your practice." - Principled)
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To: conservativefromGa; PJ-Comix; E Rocc; Howlin; Miss Marple; Poohbah; Bob J; veronica
Okay. Short version.

Congressman Ose, please refresh yourself with how the remote control works. You can change the channel, and you can turn it off. You can even pop in a DVD or CD.

But don't pass a law when you can deal with the problem simply by pressing a button on the remote control.
42 posted on 01/11/2004 3:24:13 PM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: FreeReign
Why not have sex on the village green?

No place to tie up the whips and chains...

I am not saying there should not be any standards, just that I have a distrust for those wishing to run out and set new standards...

43 posted on 01/11/2004 3:28:42 PM PST by Mark was here (My fan club: "Go abuse some family member, as I'm sure is your practice." - Principled)
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To: conservativefromGa
There just isn't any way I want to hear that stuff coming out of my TV on the public airwaves,'' Ose said Thursday. "My kids and my neighbors' kids shouldn't have to hear that stuff.''

Then use the remote, Doug. If enough people don't watch it, it won't be on there since the market won't be there for it.

And there's always VCR's and the latest tech now that can prescreen as another safeguard.

And I trust them much more than I trust big intrusive government, which isn't smart enough, or trustworthy enough to handle this.

44 posted on 01/11/2004 3:34:42 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("And it's worth the sweat, and it's worth the pain, cause the chance may never come again" -)
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To: conservativefromGa
I am for this on free TV, but on HBO etc., I am not. The Sopranos would be a bloody bore if it could not have authentic language.
45 posted on 01/11/2004 3:49:14 PM PST by veronica ("Clinton happens"....F. Lee Mark Levin)
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To: Mrs Mark
Why not have sex on the village green?

No place to tie up the whips and chains...

... park bench?

I am not saying there should not be any standards, just that I have a distrust for those wishing to run out and set new standards...

Yes, there should be standards and yes we should distrust those who would set the standard but no, setting standards about obscenities in public places is nothing new.

For years, the FCC regulated obscenity standards on TV. Now, better than unelected FCC commission members regulating obscenity standards on TV which was a terrible idea, we have our elected representatives potentially voting on standards for public obscenity on TV. And this is nothing new. Back when the Constitution was signed, 12 of 13 states had laws regulating public obscenities.

If you one wants to see obscenities, then one should partake in such not on the public airwaves but instead on cable, or DVD or whatever is not public property.

46 posted on 01/11/2004 4:19:04 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Mrs Mark
Read slowly what you said and then read slowly what I said and observe that I followed your usage of the impersonal "you" in a sentence with my own usage of the impersonal "you" in a sentence.

LOL... I carefully said If you are implying it - dont be a wus - come out and say it! --- Why don't you read more carefully? I said IF -- If you were not implying that I was for obscenity, then I did not call you a wus.

I know you said if.

But, since you used the impersonal "you" in your sentence and I took no personal meaning from it don't you think that chances are I was doing the same. And even if there was a small chance that I wasn't, don't you think the best thing to do is ask without an if-then insult waiting in the wings or are you (some insult)?

See what I mean? ;)

47 posted on 01/11/2004 4:28:04 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: OXENinFLA
VHF and UHF are still considered radio waves, so it would seem to cover breadcast TV.
48 posted on 01/11/2004 4:59:13 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: hchutch
I wouldn't mind cussing on TV IF the channel announced at the beginning of the program that it was this type of sshow. Changing the channel AFTER a small child or a person who is seriously offended by cussing is changing the channel too late. The bull is already out of the barn.
49 posted on 01/11/2004 6:55:09 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: veronica
For the most part, I agree.

I'm reluctant, though, if only because it could be a slippery slope. Particularly when one can switch the channel or put in a DVD.
50 posted on 01/11/2004 8:40:11 PM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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