Rush Limbaugh: "Immigration Proposal Roils America"

Rush Limbaugh.Com ^ | 1-7-04 | Rush Limbaugh

[kingu]

Two points that are in complete error, let me help by correcting them one by one... By the year 2050 according to Census projections racial and ethnic minorities will outnumber non-Hispanic whites. In the next fifty years this demographic shift will transform politics and business. If us conservatives lose the Hispanic vote, then we lose the nation.

Legal immigrants, of whom Hispanic voters are part of, hate illegal aliens. Everyone keeps forgetting that California, the Hispanic capitol of the United States, has outlawed (though it was overturned) all services for illegal aliens, outlawed teaching in Spanish in the schools, etc. Who do you think voted for these things in our overwhelming Democrat state? That's right, the Hispanics. Exit polls indicated that most of those who voted against were non-Hispanic whites. So no matter how many times people try to scream it, this pony just don't do that trick - pandering to illegal aliens drives away the legal immigrant vote.

Illegal aliens contribute about as much to the public coffers in taxes as they receive in benefits. New data suggests the undocumented pay about 46 percent as much in taxes as do natives, but use about 45 percent as much in services. A poll of the most respected economists found a consensus that both legal and illegal immigrants are beneficial economically. However overall immigrants fare well in terms of income with adult, foreign-born, naturalized citizens actually have higher adjusted gross incomes (averaging $40,502) than families with U.S.-born citizens only ($35,249). There goes the low wage myth.

You're mixing two things. Legal immigrants do well, they are trying to make a future here. Illegal immigrants don't, they're trying to get money to send back home, or to temporarily support their family. Millions of illegals did not apply during the last amnesty period, precisely because they are Mexicans (or Canadians) and don't want to be Americans. Beyond, the bull of the tax to services -- Go to any community which has a large illegal population. Go to a store. Get stuff, and tell the clerk you won't pay tax. They won't bat an eye, just hit the no tax key. Go to swap meets, no tax. I've had people come into my store and tell me that they won't pay sales tax, and I tell them to go another state that doesn't have it.

Beyond, illegals drive down property values through overcrowding and a higher incidence of petty crimes, the Spanish only signs and stores also continue to drive down the property values. This cuts into the tax income.

No payroll taxes, no income taxes, no property taxes.

The study was a complete fiction created by the liberals.

Now, that being said, this worker program sounds fine -- So long as the borders are shut down and the illegals are kicked out once their temporary card expires. They apply for their temporary card and send their families back to Mexico. Bush will have my complete support at that point.. But I sincerely doubt that will happen. Because some wacko who claims to be a conservative will say that you're killing the Hispanic vote and we need them.. It's about time that they start listening to the Hispanic voters and get rid of these illegals.

[Indie]

California, Texas, Election, Hispanics.....and a bankrupt SS system along with bankrupting every other "free government service" these folks will flock to like leeches, whether they need them financially or not. It truly stinks. And I am truly disgusted. Every migrant who became a citizen hates this. I know plenty and they are all cussing this proposal and are astounded "their" President Bush (Yep they are...or were Republican Catholics) would stoop this low for purely POLITICAL reasons. It's scandalous, traitorous and grounds for tar and feathering.

[Indie]

You said it better than I except I believe the drain on the system compared to the income to the government is and will continue to be more like 3:1 (no I can't back it up with a source) thanks to crime, drains on the system, and everything else you said.
Very good post for the most part.

[GodBlessUSA]

And that will be a vote for the democrat candidate. But hey who cares about that. You made your point. Then the UN will dictate our foreign policy. Our tax cuts gone, the list will go on. But go ahead get so mad about this issue and vote democrat. There are to many with this kind of logic that it scares me. Terrorists are praying to Allah that Bush loses.

[sunryse]

>Answer: by making it unworth their trouble to stay here. >they'll leave of their own accord.

You seem to be clueless to the level of poverty in some of these third world countries, Mexico included. You'd have to make it pretty darn bad here to get worse than where they come from.

[goldstategop]

Its all politics and hopefully the most offensive parts of it will go nowhere.

[singsong]

approve changes to immigration policy, saying that they would make the country safer by giving officials a better idea of who is crossing the border
Oh, sure. Those Al Queda operatives will rush to register. After all, legal Americans get a discount on those virgins...

And this proposal could also help Republicans lure Latino voters
But... "According to the Pew Center's National Survey of the Latino Electorate, 49 percent of registered Latino voters identified themselves as Democrats, while only 20 percent said they were Republican." So this may or may not help a little in the next election. After that it's pimping for Hillary, plain and simple.

"Juan Muniz crosses the border from his native Mexico, his green card in hand every day to work in an El Paso department store. His hours can be cut. Now he worries that a proposal by President Bush to make it easier for foreign nationals to work in the U.S. will mean more competition for already scarce jobs."
Well, irony... He knows best what message will be sent to the wanna be illegals?

Public opinion polls have repeatedly shown that most Americans do not favor amnesty programs that are properly labeled. Bush is apparently intent upon offering some kind of amnesty proposal hidden in a guest worker program.
There is straight talk and there is gay talk. Guess which one makes me sick. US will never solve Mexico's problems. The opposite is even less likely. Well, I'm thinking about taking my family out for dinner on November 2.

[sunryse]

>What about his own country providing jobs for his own >citizens?

ABSOLUTELY!!!

[Wild Irish Rogue]

Calm and cool,I like it! I went to www.whitehouse.gov and reread the text of the speech. This part caught my attention the first go round and more so,the second time.

" Providing Incentives for Return to Home Country: The program will require the return of temporary workers to their home country after their period of work has concluded. The legal status granted by this program would last three years, be renewable, and would have an end"

Isn't this de facto deportation ? Maybe with a velvet glove,but,they still must go home-only difference is that now we have them in a database. The renewable part is unclear-maybe another 3 years,but,it won't be endless. But,bottom line is that you may work 3 years and then you have to leave. Allowing workers picking lettuce or cleaning toilets at the Ramada,3 years to work and save their money and then go home with a nest egg,doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The end goal is the same-illegals go home.

[Born Conservative]

[ClintonBeGone]

Rush has it right.

[ConservativeMan55]

BUMP!!!

[sunryse]

>We could just send them all back easily.

That's all nice talk, but how exactly do you propose we do this? Without costing more than to keep them here and letting them work?

[pollywog]

If Clinton had proposed this, my guess is you would be screaming treason until your larnyx bled. But a Republican makes it ok????

Not!! I am as conservative Republican as you can get! I worked on the 2000 Republican Campaign,and have two cousins that have served the Republican party as elected officials, one a current assemblyman. I can tell you that I am VERY UPSET with Bush right now. I voted for him and will vote for him in 2004.But that doesn't diminish the anger I feel at him allowing free rides to those in our country illegally. Where do we draw the line? What do we tell our children when they want to break the law??? " Go ahead!! The Prez says it's OK???" NOT!!!!!!

[longtermmemmory]

I share your anger. This legislation is going to happen. Now it is time for us to shape it as best we can.

The left wants immigration reform? Fine, so do conservatives. Lets load this bills with CONSERVATIVE principles on immigration. Zero tollerance for border jumpers. Empower border residents with border patrol powers.

Time to clean house. Let those who want to save their housekeepers do so, but it will only happen with a "conservative" price.

[Zipporah]

"Lets load this bills with CONSERVATIVE principles on immigration.".. Conservative principles would be to uphold the Constitution and federal law. Lessons learned hardest are lessons learned best....

[longtermmemmory]

Whichi is important to shape the legislation. They trade law breaking for legal status and they waive any claims.

[Tauzero]

"how do you remove 8 million illegals (without hiring 8 million more govt employees raising your taxes) or having a forced movement of persons that would make the Nazi trains to the concentration camps look like Thomas the tank engine!"

The longest journey starts with a single step.

[Old Student]

You know, honestly, I don't really have a serious problem with the illegals who actually get a job, and send money home to their families, to support them. IF they are good workers, and honest, give a good days work for their wages, I'd suggest fining them, and legalizing their status as temporary (or "Guest") workers. Three years, and send 'em home. Hmmm. Maybe a five-year wait before they can come back again, as a guest worker? And STIFF fines? Say 50% of their wages? Or, if they go home before we catch them,(saving us administrative costs) and apply for legal guest worker status, and they have a job waiting (probably with their previous employer) treat them as legals.

For the ones who came legally, three years, and if they want to stay (as a guest worker) and have good recommendations from their work, an immediate renewal of their status for another three years. Taxpaying all the time.

I, too, grew up in a mostly-hispanic part of the US, Santa Fe Springs, California. My brother and I were the only Anglo kids on the block. Most of our neighbors (not all, but most) were decent, honest, and hardworking, like BushCountry's.

As far as the illegality of illegal immigration, I get passed every day on the roads here in Oklahoma by people who are speeding. Show me serious respect for the law in everyday life, by most Americans, and I'll buy harsher punishments for people who are trying to take care of their families.

On the other hand, I know also that there ARE a lot of people who take advantage of welfare programs in our country. If one of our "guests" has availed him or herself of those programs (I might make an exception for medical care, but I've gotta think on that a while) I'd say "chuck 'em out." Of course, I'd like to do that to the folks who can work, and won't, too.

[RightWingMama]

Thanks for posting this. I missed most of the program today and was curious about what he thought.