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To: Restorer
From what I can see, every decrease in white racism has been matched by an equal and opposite increase in black racism.

And they are going to move into your neighborhood and steal your babies and put them in a big pot and boil them and eat them.

The Serbs and Croats, for instance, speak the same language, although they use different scripts for writing it. Nobody else in the world can really tell them apart, and I would assume they sometimes have trouble themselves.

Fenians and Orangemen speak the same language (mostly) and use the same script. Do not assume they cannot tell each other apart. Indigenous people can see things you do not.

For example, unless something has changed, were I to look at the awning of a shop in downtown Londonderry, Northern Ireland, I might just be able to tell you whether the owner of the shop is Catholic or Protestant. You might be oblivious.

And, of course, a Yank sticks out like a sore thumb. I have seen them identified from blocks away just from the way they walk. (In Europe, we are all Yankees. Of course, it is always amusing to observe a European calling a Southerner a Yankee.)

When I said Lincoln was prophetic, it was with regard to his concern that the continued presence of the black race in America would lead to extended conflict. Are you trying to say that he was wrong about that? If so, you will have to deny much of the history of the last 1.5 centuries.

I am not trying to say Lincoln was wrong, I am saying it flatly, in caps and bold-face. LINCOLN WAS WRONG. It is not the continued presence of the Black race that leads to extended conflict. It is the continued prejudice and ignorance of some of the White race that leads to extended conflict. You cannot rightfully blame your prejudice and your ignorance on the person against whom you discriminate.

Apparently the continued presence of the Red race was considered unendurable as well. The solution was genocide.

Apparently, now the continued presence of Latinos (Lincoln referred to them as "mongrels") will become a similar problem.

If a problem exists, it is not attributable to the continued presence of the Black, Red, or Brown Americans.

I did not mean to leave out Yellow people. During WW2, we took American citizens of Japanese ethnicity and imprisoned them in detention camps. The problem was not with these Americans of Japanese ancestry either.

532 posted on 01/15/2004 8:00:59 PM PST by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
You and I are talking about different things. You are talking about whether racism is right or wrong. I agree with you that it is wrong.

I am pointing out that Lincoln predicted years of conflict between blacks and whites if they shared a country.

Since we have had 150 years of conflict, varying from mild to extreme, I think this was an accurate prediction.

I am not trying to say Lincoln was wrong, I am saying it flatly, in caps and bold-face. LINCOLN WAS WRONG.

I don't think Lincoln ever said that white prejudice against blacks was morally proper. As a matter of fact, I think he made a number of statements showing that he thought it was wrong.

However, he recognized that it existed and could not be eliminated by merely stating that it was wrong. In 1865 probably something like 90% of white Americans believed blacks were an inferior race. Perception is not reality, but (at least in a democracy) such a widespread perception becomes a reality that must be dealt with.

It is the continued prejudice and ignorance of some of the White race that leads to extended conflict. You cannot rightfully blame your prejudice and your ignorance on the person against whom you discriminate.

I agree. I also recognize that some blacks are ignorant and prejudiced against whites. Do you? Or is there some genetic component that prevents melanin-advantaged people from being ignorant and prejudiced? My personal experience has been that black racism against whites is more widespread and openly expressed than white racism against blacks.

This should not be surprising, since our society and media is very judgmental of white racism, while black racism is often portrayed as justified or at least understandable.

Personally, I find both variants equally despicable.

544 posted on 01/16/2004 10:32:37 AM PST by Restorer
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