[McGavin999]

There are several things in this that really make sense. First of all, one of the things hinted at is that we are going to start enforcing the law against those who hire illegals now. There will no longer be an excuse to do that. Second, if they are not employed, they must go home. That's going to be easy to check and easy to enforce. Third, I think they are about to get dead serious about enforcing the borders. This is all in preparation for it.

[Sloth]

There are several things in this that really make sense. First of all, one of the things hinted at is that we are going to start enforcing the law against those who hire illegals now. There will no longer be an excuse to do that. Second, if they are not employed, they must go home. That's going to be easy to check and easy to enforce. Third, I think they are about to get dead serious about enforcing the borders. This is all in preparation for it.

Yeah. And the Supreme Court is gonna totally gut that unconstitutional CFR law, too.

[Beck_isright]

"That's going to be easy to check and easy to enforce."

The US guv doesn't do a thing about the 30 to 40 million citizens who do not file their income taxes annually and you believe the Imperial Senate will suddenly create a program to monitor 12 plus million illegal aliens? What color is the sky in your world?

[rintense]

Is there an objective summary of the points the President proposed? If your post is it, then I say this proposal may actually do more to stop illegal immigration than anyone had in mind. Did he say anything about blanket amnesty?

[WackyKat]

First of all, one of the things hinted at is that we are going to start enforcing the law against those who hire illegals now. There will no longer be an excuse to do that. Second, if they are not employed, they must go home. That's going to be easy to check and easy to enforce. Third, I think they are about to get dead serious about enforcing the borders. This is all in preparation for it.

That's what they want you to think, but it won't happen.

15 years from now they'll be another 10-15 million illegals on top of the 10-15 million that are getting amnesty

[woodyinscc]

There are several things in this that really make sense.

Thank you!

Your post makes a lot of sense too.!!

[maica]

Second, if they are not employed, they must go home. That's going to be easy to check and easy to enforce. Third, I think they are about to get dead serious about enforcing the borders. This is all in preparation for it.
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This is the part that so many seem to have a hard time absorbing. I would love to think that it also would require local law enforcement AND the homeland security reciprocal component to actually remove the riff-raff (drug dealer is not going to fill the qualification for a worker's card) back to their home country.

[sixgunjer]

I feel the same way about this issue. I listened to the speech on Fox and then logged on to see Freeper responses. I thought they would calm down a little from earlier discussions on the subject, but for the most part folks are just as upset.

Bush could not come out and say what most folk here wanted him to say. "All illegals out of the pool," would have been political suicide, even if he had believed it and wanted to say it (which, by the way, is pretty much what I would have liked him to say). No politician in their right mind would have done that. Even if he had justified it by saying it was for purposes of national security, the Dems would have run ads showing Bush driving an old pickup truck whilst dragging an illegal (a gay, artist, environmentalist illegal) by the neck. I don't deny there is a political element to his proposals, but he is correct in stating that the current system is not working. Granted, it would work if our lawmakers had the courage to enforce it, but that just ain't gonna happen.

I think that President Bush's proposal is perhaps a sensible compromise with reality. In effect, this at least has the potential of doing with illegals what the libs have been trying to do with guns. Register them to make them easier to find. Also, there will be true tax collection from these workers. Not enough perhaps to compensate for what bleeds monthly from the system in welfare and health care, but at least it will be something. In addition to this, as you pointed out there is the possibility that now perhaps they will start enforcing the borders. This system will give the President and his administration the political cover to begin doing just that.

Note that I keep using the word, "possibility." While there does exist the possibility that there could be benefits from this new program, it will still be up to the politicians to have the courage to enforce the new laws. The expectancy most folk here have concerning government actions on politically difficult decisions is what is giving them heartburn. I cannot say that I completely disagree with them. We'll just have to wait and see.