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They don't come here to read people's petty and infantile behavior or watch stupid cyber jihads carried out. They read FR to feel out the base and they read FR to see what issues are hot . . .

Rather, they come to read the tepid, lukewarm groupthink responses to the hot issues--because the hot reponses and their authors have been kicked out and denied entry.

But it tends to validate and reinforce a point-of-view they're comfortable with. It does have that virtue.

I don't think we are in any danger of getting to the point where all there are are "tepid, lukewarm groupthink responses". As a matter of fact, as things have been discussed on this thread here today, there have been plenty of contentious debates going on today on this issue, without people calling each other "wench", talking about "wetbacks", saying that poster A is a bigot for wanting the borders protected, saying that poster B is a socialist for not abandoning all support of President Bush over the issue. The things we are talking about taking out are the needless crap which get in the way of a good spirited debate, not the things which add to it.

Rather, they come to read the tepid, lukewarm groupthink responses to the hot issues--because the hot reponses and their authors have been kicked out and denied entry.

There are ways to argue your point in a civilized manner, sans the personal attacks and flame bait, that was my point.

Many of the authors of the columns that get posted here, read the forum. They enjoy insightful commentary on their work not nasty flaming sarcasm and insults tossed at other posters here.

If you feel you or anyone else, can not make your point or your argument here with out losing self control, maybe there is elsewhere that would be more amenable to having their resources and bandwidth used for such purposes.

In case you think my comments were directed at you or stem from some particular position I hold on immigration I'll be clear: I am opposed to amnesty, I am in favor of securing our borders and I have no interest in subsidizing and propping up people that have broken the law to come here.