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Islam, a Religion of Peace®? Some links...
various FR links | 01-06-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 01/06/2004 7:32:40 AM PST by backhoe

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Thanks for the synopsis and link-- yes, indeed:

How many changes must we see on the American landscape and how far must Americans be pushed for concessions before we collectively say, “Enough?”

1,401 posted on 12/08/2006 9:45:44 AM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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BIG BOOKMARK for academic discussion in class....

Great stuff, thanks!!

1,402 posted on 03/23/2007 11:15:30 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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I thank you for the kind words.

1,403 posted on 03/23/2007 11:30:01 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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In the words of Anti-CAIR, since its founding in 1994, CAIR, its employees and its officials have worked with third parties including the Islamic Association for Palestine, the Holy Land Foundation, and the Global Relief Foundation to provide material support to known terrorist organizations, to advance the Hamas agenda and to propagate radical Islam. See generally "CAIR backs down from Anti-CAIR" by Daniel Pipes.
CAIR and terrorism
CAIR's Pro-Hamas Press--In the dozen-plus years of CAIR's existence, little has changed.
CAIR's Five-Year Propaganda Push Continues

The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) recently received at least $50 million from wealthy Saudis like Prince Alwaleed ibn Talal, according to ArabNews, and they’re planning to spend $10 million a year for the next five years in the United States to promote their intolerant, anti-Western ideology—with efforts like this one, featuring CAIR vice chair Ahmad Al-Akhras in a speech to college students at Kent State: Speaker discusses U.S.-Muslim relations. (Hat tip: Terp Mole.) Dr. Ahmad Al-Akhras, Vice Chair of CAIR-National, was featured in July when he physically assaulted LGF reader ciaospirit in Columbus, Ohio: Video: CAIR Official Assaults LGF Reader. Authorities in Columbus refused to take any action against Al-Akhras.  link: 54 comments |

Wahhabi connections of CAIR:

'Hi, my name is Ahmed and I want to be a suicide bomber'


This is more evidence of how the Muslim Brotherhood Project operates here in America - talk kumbaya, act terror, objective pax islamica. The founder of CAIR and the Holy Land Foundation has been found guilty of ties to terror. And Charles, LGF points out that the jihad loving media neglects to mention his CAIR ties; Article here

No CAIR alerts on this news item. No sireebob.

From my Robert Spencer interview here;  

Here’s an LGF search page that gives you an idea how long CAIR’s been exploiting this angle with exaggerated and often unfounded stories of abuse, dirty looks, and hate crimeslink: 78 comments

1,404 posted on 03/28/2007 4:30:31 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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Terrorists In America

1,405 posted on 10/12/2007 4:17:12 PM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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Because this is so important.

You better wake up, Western Civilization- the enemy is inside the gates:


***UPDATE*** LIVE LEAK CAVED! BUT I THOUGHT THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND I ASKED A FRIEND TO DOWNLOAD IT. Let's see if I can get it back up. Give me sometime .... Meanwhile play the video for Liveleak's explanation. If we all don't stand up to Islam together,we all go down.

This is the point of the film, is it not?

UPDATE: SITES RUNNING FITNA are being suspended - POLIGAZETTE - Michael VanderGalien from the Netherlands - WAS suspended.

Phyllis Chesler opiines, Liveleak is apparently based in the UK. I did not like what they said about "understanding other cultures" in their explanation for why they took it down after being threatened. Viewing the film is the BEST way to "understand" this other culture of hatred.


LIVELEAK ENGLISH VIEWS AT 2:29PM: Views:  3,340,843


DUTCH Version: Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film over de Koran. (Nederlands)

UPDATE: ATLAS OBSERVATION: This is a great film and I will tell you why. It is powerful and succinct. There is no editorial, no opinion. Just Islam. There are the violent acts of war by Islam and the Koranic verses that call for them. There is nothing incendiary except for the actual word of the Koran. It pulls together, for the the misinformed public, what is really happening around them, why it is happening. And while it is nothing we haven't seen (MEMRI, PMW, blogs etc.), FITNA (because of its controversial nature)  had sufficient publicity to whet the public's appetite. Other films that have more depth and give a more complete picture of the long war (ie Obsession) were viewed by only a handful of already clued in citizens.

The misinformed public, by and large, have been saturated with the  fallacious meme about peaceful Muslims when really what we are talking about are non-practicing or secular or lapsed Muslims vs. those that adhere to the basic tenets of Islam. This  is a critical distinction that is never made. A pious Muslim is compelled, is required to be a supporter of jihad.

"A religion of peace" but only under a pax Islamica - one world living under Islam (that part is always left out).

I hope and I pray that FITNA is viewed buy millions, billions even of freedom loving peoples the world over so that we can finally begin to develop a strategy that will succeed against an enemy we have willfully failed to recognize or understand. The film is simple and brilliant.

Props to LIVELEAK. Powerful.  Truth. G-d bless Wilders. Wilders has described the film as "a call to shake off the creeping tyranny of Islamization"

Shame on Network Solutions.

Anti-Qur'an film Fitna goes online  Radio Netherlands hat tip wolf

The Hague -Dutch politician Geert Wilders has released his anti-Qur'an film, Fitna, on the internet. The website of his Party for Freedom ( contains a link to the site where the film, which lasts approximately 16 minutes, can be seen.

Before it begins, viewers are warned that they may see shocking images; these include pictures of the terrorist attacks in New York, Madrid and London. Fitna also contains fragments of interviews with the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, translations of verses from the Qur'an, newspaper headlines about death threats to Ayaan Hirsi Ali and quotes from sermons delivered by orthodox imams. It also notes that the number of Muslims living in the Netherlands has risen from 54,000 to 944,000 over the last hundred years.

Towards the end, a hand is shown grabbing a page of the Qur'an; the image is accompanied by the sound of tearing paper. Dutch subtitles then explain that the sound was that of a page being torn from a telephone book. In a written declaration, Mr Wilders declares that it is not up to him to tear malicious verses out of the Qur'an, but that Muslims themselves must do that.

1945 saw the triumph of democracy over Nazism and 1989 the fall of Communism. Mr Wilders believes that that the time has now come for Islamist ideology to be defeated.

Muslim group seeks fine for Dutch lawmaker, ban on anti-Quran film

Associated Press , THE JERUSALEM POST  Mar. 27, 2008

A Dutch judge is due on Friday to hear the petition of a Muslim group seeking an independent review of an anti-Quran film by lawmaker Geert Wilders to see whether it violates hate speech laws.

Showing the attacks on the West on 9/11 is now going to be considered hate speech?

The petition, seen by The Associated Press Thursday at the Hague District Court, says the Dutch Islamic Federation "believes the situation of Muslims in the Netherlands today is comparable with that of our Jewish fellow-citizens in the 1930s."

*SPIT* The twist this time is the "victims" are the ones doing all the killing, beheading, mass murder ....

The federation asked for a fine of $79,000 per day if Wilders airs the film, and a $7,900 fine for each future instance of an "injuring remark."

Let's start a collection.


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UPDATE: Diana West has a great post on Fitna on her blog here:

News Flash from Pakistan: Fitna protest in Karachi outside a mosque. Guess they found some flags.

New flash from Denmark: Kurt Westergaard, he of bomb-head Mohammed cartoon fame, is planning to sue Geert Wilders for Wilders' use of his cartoon in Fitna. Oh, brother. (Psst, Kurt: Every time somebody reprints your terrific cartoon, freedom of speech in the West is upheld, remember? The problem has been, so very few media outlets have had the guts to do so. Please, have a glug of Danish beer and think it over...)


Meanwhile, from the same story, an interesting Fitna Rage--Fita Controlled Rage--report out of Jordan:

Meanwhile, a coalition of Jordanian media says they will take Mr Wilders to court over the film and urged Arab leaders to review ties with Denmark and the Netherlands.

"We held an urgent meeting Thursday evening and decided to sue extremist and Zionist deputy Geert Wilders," over the film deemed offensive to the Koran, Islam's holiest book, coalition spokesman Zakaria al-Sheikh said.

Sheikh said the coalition of 30 Jordanian independent newspapers, websites and radios would also initiate a campaign to boycott Dutch products in addition to launching legal proceedings against Mr Wilders in Jordan.

He also urged Arab leaders at a weekend summit in Damascus "to denounce campaigns hostile to Islam and review their ties with countries like Denmark and the Netherlands where these campaigns were launched".

A handful of Muslim countries had responded early Friday, with Iran saying the short movie showed some Westerners were waging a "vendetta" against Islam, and warning of unspecified repercussions.

Bangladesh also said the film could have "grave consequences", while a coalition of Jordanian media said it would sue Mr Wilders and launch a campaign to boycott Dutch products.

The European Union's Slovenian Presidency also attacked the film, saying it served "no other purpose than inflaming hatred."

But Muslim leaders in The Netherlands called at a joint press conference for their co-religionists in other countries not to over-react.

"We call on them to follow our strategy and not react with attacks on Dutch embassies or tourists," the head of the Dutch Moroccan community, Mohamed Rabbae, said.

"We feel offended by the link between violence and Islam but we know this guy [and] the best response is a response in a responsible manner."

UPDATE Pete Hoekstra in The Wall Street Journal. Mr. Hoekstra, who was born in the Netherlands, is ranking Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence..

Radical jihadists are prepared to use violence against individuals to stop them from exercising their free speech rights. In some countries, converting a Muslim to another faith is a crime punishable by death. While Muslim clerics are free to preach and proselytize in the West, some Muslim nations severely restrict or forbid other faiths to do so. In addition, moderate Muslims around the world have been deemed apostates and enemies by radical jihadists.

Radical jihadists believe representative government is un-Islamic, and urge Muslims who live in democracies not to exercise their right to vote. The reason is not hard to understand: When given a choice, most Muslims reject the extreme approach to Islam. This was recently demonstrated in Iraq's Anbar Province, which went from an al-Qaeda stronghold to an area supporting the U.S.-led coalition. This happened because the populace came to intensely dislike the fanatical ways of the radicals, which included cutting off fingers of anyone caught smoking a cigarette, 4 p.m. curfews, beatings and beheadings. There also were forced marriages between foreign-born al Qaeda fighters and local Sunni women.

There may be a direct relationship between the radical jihadists' opposition to democracy and their systematic abuse of women. Women have virtually no rights in this radical world: They must conceal themselves, cannot hold jobs, and have been subjected to honor killings. Would most women in Muslim countries vote for a candidate for public office who supported such oppressive rules?

Read it all.

"Death to the filmmaker"

Fitna Rage grows. "Muslim, UN outrage over Dutch MP's anti-Islam film," from AFP:

Muslim nations, the European Union and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Friday expressed outrage at an anti-Islam film posted on the Internet by a far-right Dutch MP. [...]

Morocco's Communications Minister Khalid Naciri said Wilders was "mentally retarded".

Iran said the 17-minute film showed Westerners were waging a "vendetta" against Islam, and warned of repercussions. A Jordanian media coalition said they would take Wilders to court and launch a campaign to boycott Dutch products.

In Karachi, Pakistan's largest city, about 40 supporters of the hardline Islamist party Jamaat-i-Islami staged a protest, chanting "Death to the filmmaker".

In an interview with AFP Friday Wilders rejected any responsibility for retaliation against Dutch nationals or interests abroad.

"I hope it doesn't happen but even if it does the people who commit such acts are responsible, not me," he said....


Balkenende however warned that people should not draw conclusions too quickly. "We are not past it yet ... Sometimes it can take months before the true repercussions are felt," he told journalists.

Yes. Or years, once Europe is fully Islamized, while Balkenende and his ilk spent their energy muzzling those who were trying to prevent it.

Posted by Robert at 7:14 PM | Comments (50)
"Too bad about LiveLeak taking the film down due to threats against their employees. People are protesting against the violence of the film when they are doing the very thing they protest."

Fitna (Bumped)

Update 2 - Darcey is hosting Fitna on his own server, and Flea is providing torrent links.

"If you quote the Koran. If you do so in the name of freedom of speech. You will be threatened with death. The press will collude with the enemy."

When I can figure out how to set it up, I'll host another here.

Statement from Liveleak on the removal of Fitna

Because "multiculturalism" means "more pavilions at Folkfest"...

In anticipation of this, a number of sources have already saved and rehosted the film, so it won't be hard to find.

Background info.

Because they just can't help themselves. - Addressing the European parliament, the Grand Mufti of Syria told his audience that "If there is unrest, bloodshed and violence after the broadcast of the Koran film, Wilders will be responsible."

A million views at Liveleak already (and nearly two million of the Dutch version) and they've issued a statement. Via Hotair - "They’re obviously willing to go to the mat to keep this online."

Michael van der Galien chronicles the astonishing efforts to stop the film from being seen in the Netherlands. "I disagree with your opinion that Islam is violent, but I will fight to the death to prevent you from inciting them". Or something like that.

Posted by Kate at 4:38 PM | Comments (197)

Fitna follow-up: The usual suspects do the usual thing; Update: Fitna pulled from Liveleak; “This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net…”

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 28, 2008 12:44 PM

Pulled from Liveleak, but still available all over the Web…The genie is out of the bottle already. You can get the Torrent downloads here and a gazillion other places. Wilders’ point has been proven–and will be again and again and again.

Fitna the Movie Dutch (official release march 27, 2008)

Update 4:45pm Eastern: And so the inevitable occurs. Liveleak has pulled “Fitna” from its site (via Allahpundit)…

Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.

This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people, from all backgrounds and religions, who gave us their support. They realised is a vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.
We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.

In the wake of “Fitna’s” release, the usual suspects are doing their usual things.

Tick, tick, tick: Muslim nations condemn Dutch Koran film.

Diana West surveyed the preemptive rage.

Lawhawk responds to the EU’s condemnation of the film: “It’s rare to hear them denouncing ongoing terrorism done in the name of Islam by jihadis, whether it is in Afghanistan, Thailand, Philippines, or Israel. Where are the calls for tolerance when the jihadis are busy blowing up schools, businesses, rioting, and otherwise seeking to kill non Muslims and those who are not strict adherents to their brand of Islam?”

Robert Spencer: “Mind you, the European Union has never, ever said anything like that regarding attacks on Christianity. The point is not just the double standard; it is that they are allowing violent intimidation to succeed, and that will only lead to more violent intimidation.”

Britain is in the crosshairs because Liveleak is based in Manchester:

Britain was dragged into the controversy over an anti-Islam film made by a far-Right Dutch MP after Iran condemned its appearance on a UK-based video-sharing website today.

“This heinous measure by a Dutch lawmaker and a British establishment… is indicative of the continuation of the evilness and deep vengeance such Western nationals have against Islam and Muslims,” Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

Mohammad Ali Hosseini, called on the Dutch, British and other EU governments to block any further showing of “this blasphemous, anti-Islamic and anti-cultural film”.

…Mr Wilders’s film, which intersperses images of the September 11 attacks and other Islamist bombings with quotations from the Koran, was first posted on the website of his small right-wing Freedom Party on Thursday night.

It disappeared after a few minutes because of “technical difficulties” before becoming available in Dutch and English on LiveLeak, a Manchester-based website, raising fears that extremists could also target British interests. Some 4,000 British troops are serving in Iraq and a further 7,800 in Afghanistan.

The company running LiveLeak defended its decision to host the film. “ has a strict stance on remaining unbiased and allowing freedom of speech so far as the law and our rules allow,” it said in a statement posted online.

David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said “we hold fast and firm to European values of freedom of speech”. However, speaking in Slovenia where he was attending talks with his EU counterparts, he added that “in each of our countries there are legal and judicial systems to ensure that freedom is not used to incite religious or racial hatred”.

And Kurt Westergaard doesn’t want his cartoon in the film:

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Mr. Westergaard, the anti-Koran movie made by right-wing Dutch politician Geert Wilders begins with your drawing of the Prophet Muhammad showing him with a time bomb in his turban. You are taking legal action against Wilders as a result. Why?

Westergaard: The Danish Union of Journalists will file for an injunction today to force Wilders to take my cartoon out of the film. I don’t want my cartoon taken out of its original context. It was a cartoon aiming at fanatic Islamist terrorists — a small part of Islam. The cartoon must not be used against Muslim society as a whole. That was not my intention.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: And this is what you think Wilders is doing with his film?

Westergaard: Wilders has a overly generalized perception of Muslims as potential terrorists. But it’s not like that at all — I know a lot of Muslims living here in Denmark who accept democracy completely and who live their religion as a very private matter. I hope that all Muslims will adapt to secular society. There is currently friction between Muslim and Christian culture. But I am quite sure, that our Western democratic culture will prevail over the darker version of Islam. We must have Islam-light.

That was “Fitna’s” message, too.

You can find translations of all the suras quoted in the film from

The film's translations are not "bad" - they are accurate.


Pat Condells video essay on radical Islam is well worth the watch as well.



Pete Hoekstra, senior Republican on the US House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence:

"Even if the new Wilders film proves newsworthy, it is likely that few members of the Western media will air it, perhaps because they have been intimidated by radical jihadist threats… I defend the right of Mr. Wilders and the media to air this film because free speech is a fundamental right that is the foundation of modern society. Western governments and media outlets cannot allow themselves to be bullied into giving up this precious right due to threats of violence. We must not fool ourselves into believing that we can appease the radical jihadist movement by allowing them to set up parallel societies and separate legal systems, or by granting them special protection from criticism."

You can watch it here also.

1,406 posted on 03/29/2008 12:44:32 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Link update:


1,407 posted on 02/28/2010 8:03:46 AM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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Up for essay & awful videos, down for comments.

1,408 posted on 10/18/2013 2:22:54 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, Plunderin' his way across the Internet....)
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1,409 posted on 09/01/2014 3:27:54 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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