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Frugal couple accumulate large nest egg by choosing not to live beyond means
Seattle Times ^ | 01/04/04 | Kathleen Lynn

Posted on 01/04/2004 1:31:24 PM PST by Holly_P

"On the day I made the final payment on the house, I sealed the envelope and put the stamp on it," said Karen Manzo, 58. "Then I got up and walked through the house as if I owned it."

"Because we did," said her husband, Joe, 56.

"That was a powerful moment for me," Karen said.

At a time when the average American family has credit-card debt estimated at $9,000, the Manzos walk a different path. Middle-class people who live completely without debt, they follow the frugal prescriptions of one of their favorite books, "The Millionaire Next Door," a 1996 bestseller written by two professors who studied the nation's affluent.

The way to become wealthy, the Manzos say, is to live as if they're not wealthy. Or, in the words of the book's authors Thomas Stanley and William Danko: "Being frugal is the cornerstone of wealth-building."

The Manzos have made investing mistakes and lost money during the stock market's downturn. But they expect their thrifty lifestyle to bring them to a prosperous retirement in 10 years.

"As a byproduct of just trying to be debt-free, we accumulate wealth," said Karen, a lab technician in New Jersey. They declined to reveal their incomes or assets. But their financial planner, Lauren Locker, said they have accumulated an impressive amount on moderate incomes: "We would all be lucky to be in their position," Locker said.

The Manzos' lifestyle would not work for everyone. Their wedding 30 years ago cost all of $700. They do without cable TV. Karen squeezes the toothpaste tube "till it screams" and buys her clothes at Burlington Coat Factory and Value City (her sister teasingly calls her Karen Kmart).

Their tidy house in Paterson, N.J., was paid off in 15 years. (Danko, a professor at the University at Albany, State University of New York, said millionaires typically own less expensive houses than they can afford.) Though the Manzos, who are childless, are comfortable there, many middle-income families with children would prefer to avoid Paterson's troubled schools.

The Manzos also track their spending meticulously in two spiral notebooks — one green, for money; the other black, because they're always in the black.

As a result, they are able to save all of Karen's paycheck — about 40 percent of their pretax income.

"I think some people feel, 'What's the good of having money if you don't spend it?"' said Joe Manzo, a quality manager at a factory. "But there's a price to be paid. Debt is a self-inflicted injury. It's the choices you make. I like SUVs, but I drive a '99 Ford Escort. Our identities aren't tied to possessions. You could lose your possessions. Who you are is not what you own."

His wife sums it up: "I want to be as common as an old shoe."

It's not that the Manzos never spend money. They go to Broadway shows, sponsor a scholarship at a Paterson Catholic school and have vacationed in Costa Rica, Panama and Europe. Being thrifty, Karen said, means "I can purchase anything I want because I have a financial nest egg."

Although the Manzos describe their income as average, "The Millionaire" book points out, "Wealth is not the same as income. If you make a good income each year and spend it all, you are not getting wealthier. You are just living high."

The book gives the following yardstick for measuring assets: You should have an amount equal to your age times your annual income, divided by 10. So, for example, a 40-year-old couple with $100,000 income should have net worth of $400,000 — not including home equity.

If you have double that, you're wealthy. The Manzos say their assets put them in the wealthy zone — before the stock-market bubble burst.

"We made — and lost — a fortune in the stock market," Karen said. She ignored her husband's advice to sell tech stocks before their value collapsed in 2000.

After that, they went to Locker, the financial planner, for help. Karen also joined an investment club affiliated with the National Association of Investors, which advocates long-term investments in companies selling at the right price.

Karen's frugality was born of an Indiana childhood watching her parents struggle to raise five children on her father's salary as a draftsman. Her mother didn't hold down a job or even know how to drive. Karen wanted wider horizons and financial security.

She took 10 years to work her way through college. The fact that her education was so hard-won makes her even more determined not to squander the money it has helped her earn.

Her husband had help from his parents to pay for college, but it came at a great sacrifice to his father, a welder.

Karen is such a believer in debt-free living that she keeps a copy of "The Millionaire Next Door" at work to show to co-workers and summer interns. She recently spoke about her strategies to about 15 of Locker's clients. "She doesn't have a nickel of debt — there's not another client I have like that," Locker said.

But several of them told her they could not imagine cutting their spending so radically. Even if they could, they said, their spouses would be unlikely to go along.

The Manzos know they couldn't have reached their financial goals without working together — a point also made by "The Millionaire Next Door."

"We don't agree on everything, but these are the core beliefs that have sustained us for the 30 years we've been together," said Joe.

"There is no arguing about money," Karen said. "That argument is never in our household. One of the byproducts of a debt-free lifestyle is that you eliminate the Number One cause of marital breakdown."

That may be one reason why, in the book's words, "financially independent people are happier than those who are not financially secure."

"I'm definitely a contented person. I'm happy with my life," Karen said. "We have everything we want."


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To: dalereed
Luckily, all we have is our mortgage.

I have a Lab, Sheppard, and 3 kids because some guy told me that they increase in value. So far he's been wrong, but it's great fun.

We buy what we need, save up for what we cannot afford, and monitor down to the penny.

As we tell our kids: There is alot that we want, but nothing that we need.

21 posted on 01/04/2004 1:59:06 PM PST by baltodog
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To: dogbyte12
re: Look what is going on here. Dad paid for college. They have no kids. The wife isn't at home, but working, even though they don't need her to do so.)))

I was thinking the same thing--especially the "no kids" part. You don't get this much ahead just by driving a modest car and shopping at KMart and living in a rundown neighborhood...They're selling a false hope.

Not to mention that he's an academic and probably has posh benefits.

22 posted on 01/04/2004 2:00:51 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Holly_P
"I can purchase anything I want because I have a financial nest egg."

She's right. I'm not in her position now, but I have been before. Somehow when you're financially solvent the "want" factor subsides to a reasonable level. With a nest egg you have more freedom and true buying power.

I'm working my way back there.
23 posted on 01/04/2004 2:02:50 PM PST by avenir ("If there's one thing I can't stand, it's being tortured by someone with cold hands"--Dr. Who)
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To: PISANO
If I exclude the home and can include my condo I guess according to his formula that qualify for "wealthy" since my net worth is more than double his formula. As for CC, and time payments, i've never had a balance on a CC and never in my life bought anything on credit. If I don't have the cash, I can't afford it and don't buy it.
24 posted on 01/04/2004 2:03:08 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: PISANO
That must mean that their savings/401k's/IRA's etc have to be 400k more than their mortgages/credit card bills/liabilities. That seems pretty steep for a 40 year old making 100k per year. Am I missing something here?

Perhaps. It is not so hard to do with compound interest and taxfree investments. The paths of living with debt to make other people wealthy, and having compound interest work for you to make you wealthy, diverge rather quickly. The fact that this couple has no children makes it much easier for them, but I know a couple who did the same thing with four children, and they lived quite well. The U.S. is such a wealthy country that ordinary people who are willing to be a little frugal can accumulate wealth over two to three decades.

25 posted on 01/04/2004 2:04:11 PM PST by marktwain
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To: dogbyte12
"I would rather die with "just $100,000" in the bank, and get nicer clothes, than die with $400,000 sitting in line at the K-mart waiting for the blue light special."

LOL! You're right, there is some balance there.
26 posted on 01/04/2004 2:05:06 PM PST by avenir ("If there's one thing I can't stand, it's being tortured by someone with cold hands"--Dr. Who)
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To: dalereed
My ex wife retired 10 years ago by living exclusively on the $500/mo social security disability payment she recieves along with the $1,800/mo alimony I pay her. Of course she was able to buy a new home with the equity from the sale of our former home. She's pretty frugal.
27 posted on 01/04/2004 2:06:26 PM PST by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: dogbyte12
I noticed that too - it's amazing how much kids cost. Yeah - if I wasn't paying for the kids orthodontics, my college tuition, kids school clothes, live in a decent neighborhood so my kids can go to nice schools, etc. etc. and both of us worked, I guess I wouldn't have as much credit card debt either.
28 posted on 01/04/2004 2:10:21 PM PST by deziner
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To: kcpopps
True about the property taxes....depressing, isn't it?
29 posted on 01/04/2004 2:14:43 PM PST by what's up
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To: Holly_P
My New Year's Resolutions -on the financial front- are to put away $6,000 in savings, $700 in my 401K, reduce my taxable income by $1,000, and shave $2,000 off my credit card debt.

The bills will kill you if you let them get out of hand (i.e., live beyond your means).BTW, I'm in my mid-20s and making OK money, which is why some of those #s seem low.
30 posted on 01/04/2004 2:17:34 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Holly_P
Holly, if I can offer one bit of advice, a good way to stay out of debt is buy a used car. I bought a new Civic, which is still a great car, but gas and the monthly payments come out to almost $330 a month. Nevermind the $175 or so for insurance.

If I could change one thing I would have started with a decent used car.
31 posted on 01/04/2004 2:21:26 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: kcpopps
my wife and I inherited her grandparents home. We have no morgage, credit card, or car payment, DEBT FREE!! But that property TAX really gets under my skin. It is in fact a rent payment, and I know that I really don't own my house, the government does.

We have made many choices to stay debt free, even bypassing the 0% down for 5 years for a decent car. But it's nice to wake up in the morning and not be forced to go to work because someone will take away my stuff if I miss a payment.
32 posted on 01/04/2004 2:22:52 PM PST by duk
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To: dogbyte12
I would rather die with "just $100,000" in the bank

By your logic, why even bother dying with $100K in the bank? Why not spend it all?
33 posted on 01/04/2004 2:24:17 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Holly_P
Looks like they have no children. So, guess who gets all their money when they go? Sam, everybody's uncle.
34 posted on 01/04/2004 2:25:10 PM PST by Alouette (Proud parent of an IDF recruit!)
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To: Alouette
We don't have childern either but I paid my nephews way through college and what might be left after we die will go to nephews, nieces, and FR.
35 posted on 01/04/2004 2:31:12 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: kcpopps
Excellent point!
36 posted on 01/04/2004 2:32:22 PM PST by octobersky
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To: Holly_P
I'm not old enough to have accumulated any debt (Or wealth) I hope to avoid the former and embrace the latter.

Want some free advise?

Don't buy a new car every 3-4 years,
and when you do buy a car, don't buy more car than you need.
Don't buy anything with a credit card. always pay cash.
Max out your employer's 401k or 403b plan.

37 posted on 01/04/2004 2:36:59 PM PST by woofer
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To: Holly_P
It'd be nice to be in that situation, but yeah, some of the things in their lifestyle that make it possible aren't workable for a lot of us. They don't have kids, and that makes a huge difference.

Still, we can all recognize the choices we made that took us out of that league. Like getting married.
38 posted on 01/04/2004 2:38:19 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (President Bush sends his regards.)
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To: Holly_P
Meaning no disrespect to anyone, but how "rich" are you if you have no children? What is our purpose on Earth? To die with a fat bank acount? My children are my reason for working my ass off - to provide for them (not for me).
39 posted on 01/04/2004 2:38:37 PM PST by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: woofer
Don't buy a new car every 3-4 years, and when you do buy a car, don't buy more car than you need. Don't buy anything with a credit card. always pay cash. Max out your employer's 401k or 403b plan.

And don't let any of these knuckleheads tell you that saving too much money is a bad thing.
40 posted on 01/04/2004 2:38:41 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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