"Jew Hatred. A Minor Problem, or Overblown?"

Chronwatch ^ | 1-4-04 | Arlene Peck

[SJackson]

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[RonHolzwarth]

re: "Yet, nobody can actually mention the real root of the world's problems without being accused of being unkind and discriminating against the powerful Arab cartel."

Well, NO!

It's all about the oil!

WE NEED THE OIL, BUDDY!

Even though we HAVE to make a pact with the devil himself to get it!

'Cause - we have to drive our cars!

[Phil V.]

"Do the Jews have to be placed in ghettos or wear yellow stars on their clothes, for people in France to see the signs?"

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NO.

Jews have to stop talking about "owning the lands between the Nile and Euphrates Rivers and the Mediterranean Sea and the wilderness of Jordan.

[Little Bill]

Foxman is living in the thirties, the biggest supporters of Israel in this country, outside of the Jewish community, are Christian Zionists and those of us on the right. Old Abe does his best to vilify us, talk about cutting your own throat.

[Salman]

I'm Jewish and I say that Abe Foxman will never get it. He is a Jewish Jesse Jackson wannabee, but Jews are too smart for him. Even liberal Jews.

[Eva]

Any anti-semitism in the LA Times must be something new. I remember an article about how no matter how crowded West LA became, Jewish people would not move to Orange County, where "blonde Ricky Nelsons, stood on every street corner."

[Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek]

Someone is sending in the money to keep his little racket going. I doubt if its the Arabs.

[SJackson]

See the other thread.

You know perfectly well no political party in Israel with enough support (actually none) proposes annexation of everything from

Nile and Euphrates Rivers and the Mediterranean Sea and the wilderness of Jordan. No party party with meaningful support supports annexation to the Jordan river and expulsion of the arab population, as you frequently imply.

Your comment is pure propaganda.

Your concept that people hate Jews because they're attempting to expel the Arabs from the Nile to the Euphrates is laughable. Even Adolph never came up with that one. Howard Dean might buy that, blaming it on GWB, but no one else.

[Phil V.]

see the other thread. My gripe is with Arutz Sheva's blasphemy.

[Alouette]

My gripe is with Arutz Sheva's blasphemy.

So let's see you smite them.

[livesbygrace]

Rush has an EXCELLENT article entitled "The Monster Reawakens" in this month's Limbaugh Letter. It is a very extensive piece chronicling the last few years of how "Anti-Semitism has become acceptable, even fashionable, among leftists."

[Salman]

Someone is sending in the money to keep his little racket going. I doubt if its the Arabs.

Yup. Elderly Jewish suckers, mainly. Folks who remember the old pre-Foxman ADL, which was a decent organization.

[gobucks]

Many times I watched them gleefully speak of ''Anti-Zionism'' which we all know has been a code word for plain old Jew hatred.
Folks - I need some help here...and please give me the benefit of the doubt regarding my question....

I read a great deal of threads over this issue...and constantly find myself confused. In many areas, for thousands of years, it's clear the Jewish people have been subjected to unbelievable abuse. But I have ALOT of trouble understanding the origin of the hatred behind it. And if were easy to understand, threads would be aplenty on other subjects, and debates on this one few.

On the other hand, I do not understand Arab hatred either. I DO understand, and share, the loathing for fundamental Islam - for it gives religious sanction to murder - it's in the Koran, black and white. But I DON'T understand Arab hatred, the Koran notwithstanding.

In other words, if I DON'T hate Arabs, I am guessing several of you, based on your many posts that I follow, will believe I am an Anti-Semite (and God forbid, maybe even a leftist)----even if I state I DON'T hate Jews (and I don't hate either for the record).

I have teen age kids. Now is the time when any statements I make about the Middle East will make deep impressions. For it is them that will be voting soon, and them that will be watching the story unfold on the Temple Mount - for in the long run, that is the central piece of land known as Zion, no? And the bad guys currently run the show there, yes?

I want above all to be fair in my statements. But I am totally unconvinced regarding so many of the Arab arguments, as well as so many of the Jewish arguments.

From both sides in general, I sense a vengence-fueled appeal to tribalism. Voices of restraint are drowned out.

I see very few posts or links that point to reasoned solutions of what is going to be the central issue of the coming decades. I see instead immense howling and cries of "injustice" - and endless streams of information about who is dead wrong and why.

Of all things I took from my 2nd grade teacher, it was the total belief that tribalism was a core taproot that nourished war. She said being an American had nothing to do with blood line - and for that I should thank God I was born an American. Oh how totally true that has turned out to be.

Am I naive to teach this to my own kids? In fact, what I am really asking is this: if I teach my kids that tribalism is inherently evil, am I raising an Anti-Semite?

[SJackson]

Blasphemy, a serious charge. Pressing would be appropriate.

Of course if you press a website, you may only get a newspaper.

[Alouette]

"One Nation Under Allah" -- Ford Ooundation finances a "blasphemy amendment"

Looks like a certain FReeper wants to be an "enforcer"

[Phil V.]

if I teach my kids that tribalism is inherently evil, am I raising an Anti-Semite?

It depends on your ability to weave a blanket of condemnation that falls equally over all tribes. If your blanket rests more heavily on the tribe of Ishmael then you are not anti-Semite, but should you attempt to balance the overall condemnation of tribalism (here at FreeRepublic) by placing your emphasis on the tribe of Isaac then you enter perilous waters.

You need to remember that the Jewish Nation is composed of multiple tribes - some lost and some found . . . It is risky business condeming tribalism, come to think of it. Don't do it.

[Alouette]

If your blanket rests more heavily on the tribe of Ishmael then you are not anti-Semite, but should you attempt to balance the overall condemnation of tribalism (here at FreeRepublic) by placing your emphasis on the tribe of Isaac then you enter perilous waters.

You think you're being a real wise guy by making up such a long convoluted dichotomy but you got it exactly backwards.

Gotta lay off the Stoli.

[veronica]

A Nihilist on Anti-semitism

"The LA Times grants op-ed space to a radical who would 'use anything, including lies, injustice and obfuscation' to promote his anti-Israel agenda.

On Dec. 28, The Los Angeles Times published two, opposing op-ed pieces on the resurgent wave of worldwide anti-Semitism. Remarkably, the debate wasn't about what to do about the problem, but rather if a problem exists at all.

ADL Director Abraham Foxman cited, among other recent events, the viciously anti-Jewish statements of the Malaysian Prime Minister, the synagogue bombings in Istanbul, and the burning of an Indiana holocaust museum, to conclude:

Anti-Semitism is not a relic of history but a current event. Its resurgence is stronger and more widespread than even the most pessimistic among us predicted. And the threat is growing...Democratic leaders and good people must stand up ¯ for their own sake as well as for the sake of Jewish communities ¯ so that the theme of "never again" will be a living reality.

Michael Neumann

Foxman's words were deemed debatable by the Times, who invited Michael Neumann, a philosophy professor at Ontario's Trent University, to counter Foxman with an article entitled "A Minor Problem, Overblown." Neumann claims that anti-Semitism just shouldn't concern us today, and supports his view with arguments such as this: Concentration camp survivors still alive deserve sympathy and justice, but they are few. Myself, I'd feel a bit embarrassed saying to a homeless person on the streets of Toronto, much less to the inhabitants of a Philippine garbage dump: 'Oh yeah? You think you know suffering? My grandmother died in a concentration camp!'...Perhaps anti-Semitism is not, after all, a high priority.

The LA Times accorded Neumann a prominent space to air his views, despite the fact that Neumann has an established record of actively supporting (in Neumann's own words) "vicious racist anti-Semitism" to bring on the destruction of the Jewish state. Last year, Neumann had a correspondence with an anti-Semitic web site called the Jewish Tribal Review in which Neumann wrote:

My sole concern is indeed to help the Palestinians, and I try to play for keeps. I am not interested in the truth, or justice, or understanding, or anything else, except so far as it serves that purpose...I would use anything, including lies, injustice and obfuscation, to do so. If an effective strategy means that some truths about the Jews don't come to light, I don't care. If an effective strategy means encouraging reasonable anti-Semitism or reasonable hostility to Jews, I don't care. If it means encouraging vicious racist anti-Semitism, or the destruction of the State of Israel, I still don't care.

In response to this outburst, the Canadian Jewish Congress wrote a letter of complaint to Neumann's employer, Trent University. As the matter attracted greater attention, Neumann repudiated the statement (without denying its authenticity), then apologized to the CJC.

The Jewish Tribal Review originally contacted Neumann after another article of Neumann's claimed that "we should almost never take anti-Semitism seriously, and maybe we should have some fun with it." In that article, Neumann goes so far as to not only compare Israel to Nazi Germany, but to indict world Jewry for complicity with Israel's "crimes against humanity":

[A]t present, the case for Jewish complicity seems much stronger than the case for German complicity. So if it is not racist, and reasonable, to say that the Germans were complicit in crimes against humanity, then it is not racist, and reasonable, to say the same of the Jews."