CT: Bar closing worries other owners

NorwichBulletin.com ^ | 1-2-04 | FRANCIS McCABE

[SheLion]

With the closing of Pinstripes Sports Cafe on Dec. 24, some other bar owners in the city are concerned that they will be next.

Pinstripes closed as a direct result of the state public places smoking ban, according to Frank Bokoff, who said he was a spokesman for F and J Management, the group that owned and operated the bar and grill.

[SheLion]

Smoking Bans Bad For Private Business

[SheLion]

More anti-smoking grief.

[antiRepublicrat]

The new book "1001 Ways to Kill Business" by a collaboration effort under the pseudonym "Leftist Dogooders" is due out in Februray.

Many sequels are expected.

[ppaul]

Cry me a friggin' river.

[Myrnick]

Graff said if the reason Pinstripes closed was because it was losing its customers to bars that are exempt from the ban until April 1, "I find it hard to believe he wouldn't tough it out for another few months," he said.

Typical liberal busybody - he fails to understand that "toughing it out" for a small business is dependant upon CASH FLOW.

[Dr.Syn]

"Graff said if the reason Pinstripes closed was because it was losing its customers to bars that are exempt from the ban until April 1, "I find it hard to believe he wouldn't tough it out for another few months."

Another non-profit wizard consulting in the free enterprise world...about which he knows nothing. Connecticut is two worlds...citizens and the autonomous countries of the "native Americans". The citizens have the law of the land and the tribes just make it up as they go but still have State police protection. And...much smoking bar business has gone to private clubs and other states like Massachusetts where smoking decisions are made town by town.

[SheLion]

Many sequels are expected.

Someone told me that Ann Coultiers book? She has a chapter in there about the War on the Smokers and that's it's pretty scary.

[SheLion]

Cry me a friggin' river.

Do I even KNOW YOU?

[SheLion]

much smoking bar business has gone to private clubs and other states like Massachusetts where smoking decisions are made town by town.

Same in Delaware. The smokers are beating across the borders to Maryland and Virginia.

New Yorkers are beating it across the river to New Jersey. The other states are reaping big hauls of money from the smoking bans. Believe me.

[Jerez2]

For the last time: Bars are not health clubs. Nobody goes there to live a healthy lifestyle. They WANT to smoke. Let 'em. People who work in bars, ditto. There are plenty of other places they can work if they don't like being surrounded by dangerous things like smoke, alcohol, and tipsy customers.

Restaurants are a different story. You want to TASTE your food, smoking ban makes sense there. But BARS?????

On another rant: this whole Indian thing is crazy. The idea of reservations was to let them live their traditional lifestyle. What has happened in the last few years is against all common sense. These people are no more Indian than I am (1/16) and are just looking for a legal loophole.

What a bunch of crap. I don't recognize US as the land of the Free... hardly, anymore.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

This whole thing is so incredibly stupid. Just wait, I'm sure that Connecticut govt. officials will start bitching about all the Connecticut money that is going to other states and all of the lost tax revenue that results.

That's how it is here in Utah. Then Utah state tried to crack down on Utahns getting beer and fireworks in other states by having the cops pull over people at the border for bogus reasons if they have Utah plates. The cops have gotten in all kinds of trouble for searching vehicles with insufficient probable cause and operating out of juristiction. (The cops were taking unmarked cars into Wyoming and scouting out the local liquor stores for cars with Utah plates, then busting them when they crossed back into Utah. The Wyoming cops are still mad as hell, a bunch of Wyoming liquor store owners are suing the Utah Highway Patrol, and Utah judges have tossed out hundreds of cases due to the cops operating out of their juristiction.)

[Mears]

Massachusetts is supposed to go smoke free in July.

[SheLion]

This whole thing is so incredibly stupid. Just wait, I'm sure that Connecticut govt. officials will start bitching about all the Connecticut money that is going to other states and all of the lost tax revenue that results.

It's just KILLING our lawmakers that they can't control the Internet for online cigarette sales. They are doing everything in their power to stop it or to collect the taxes for their states.

Even to one point of having UPS turn in the people in MAINE who get delivery of cigarettes. Can you believe it?

Now the online cigarette company's have learned not to put the word "cigarette" in their return address label.

[jocon307]

"New Yorkers are beating it across the river to New Jersey."

We live in NJ, but go to NY frequently. On several (I'd say 6-8) occasions since the ban we've chosen to repair NJ-side for dinner and/or drinks. The only exceptions I've made to my no $ for NY ban is to hang with the Freepers. Here's the amazing thing, nobody NEEDS to eat out/drink out EVER.

SO I hope all you non-smoking fanatics have deep pockets because that is my new year's resolution, no eating out, no ordering in. I figure it's got a chance, a darn sight better than no drinking, no smoking.

Also, we will be looking to buy a house sometime in 04, if the NYC ban is still in effect, brooklyn is out. NJ here we stay.

And for all those who still don't get it, next they'll come for your colas, or your children's juice boxes. Trust me, they will.

[SheLion]

Massachusetts is supposed to go smoke free in July.

GOTTA LOVE NEW ENGLAND. ugh!

[nothingnew]

puff ping

FMCDH

[Mackey]

And the reason Utahns go out of state to buy booze? High prices at the state liquor stores. I bought a sixpack of Carlsberg Lager last week-- $12.00.

The state is robbing me when I buy cigarettes or beer!

[Phantom Lord]

This is pure bull. No way this or any other bar has closed because of the smoking ban. Non-smokers were staying away from bars because of smokers and have come out in droves since the ban, causing business to BOOM!!!

What? You mean the nicotine nazis lied when they said that was going to happen?

Business is booming for some because of the ban though. Grocery stores and liqour stores. Home parties are far more common. Especially for "the game".

[Sunshine Sister]

That wasn't necessary.

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

Massachusetts is supposed to go smoke free in July.

Mass and NY are losing population and representation in Congress, as is CT.

Gee I wonder why?

Government oppression is why!!

How about a little tabacco party like they did in Boston about 230 years ago!?