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Roe v. Wade should be updated says Lieberman
Manchester Union Leader ^ | December 26, 2003 | John DiStaso

Posted on 12/26/2003 6:50:08 AM PST by billorites

JOE ON ROE: Joe Lieberman said this week that “extraordinary advances in medical science” have forced a re-examination of the 30-year-old Roe V. Wade ruling’s trimester-based approach to the abortion issue.

In an interview with editors and a Union Leader reporter, the Presidential hopeful said he remains staunchly pro-choice. But he said he realizes the period of time a woman actually has a “right to choose” gradually grows shorter as medical science pushes fetal viability ever-earlier in pregnancy.

Since all nine Democrats in the race are pro-choice, abortion has rarely come up. Yet, Lieberman said, “I think about it a lot.”

And he said that as President, “I’ll follow a policy that makes abortion safe, rare and legal.

JOE LIEBERMAN “To me, Roe v. Wade said that in the stages of pregnancy up to viability (of the fetus), the state basically cannot intervene in a decision a woman makes whether to go forward with a pregnancy or not. But after viability, the state can regulate that choice because the interest of the fetus goes up.

“What has changed,” Lieberman said, “is that the court talked in terms of trimesters, but has viability — because of the extraordinary advances in medical science — begun to occur at an earlier stage?”

Lieberman said he is consistent to both support Roe v. Wade and to realize that “the period of time in a pregnancy when the right to choose prevails has been somewhat shortened.”

He said most abortions occur in the first three months of pregnancy, but viability “is now in some cases 24 or 25 weeks and in a few cases, a little bit less.”

Lieberman said the U.S. Supreme Court’s “trimester approach” was “related to the state of medical science at the time.” The decision was handed down in 1973.

“But subsequent cases to Roe tend to put more emphasis on viability,” he said.

In fact, the trimester-based approach has not been the Supreme Court’s standard for more than a decade.

The court’s summary of its original ruling said that “for the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester,” the abortion decision is left entirely to the woman and her physician.

The ruling said the state may impose regulations on, and may even ban, second- or third-trimester abortions except when the life or health of the mother is at stake.

But in 1992, in a decision on a Pennsylvania law, the Supreme Court said, “We reject the trimester framework, which we do not consider to be part of the essential holding of Roe. . .The trimester framework suffers from these basic flaws: in its formulation it misconceives the nature of the pregnant woman’s interest; and in practice it undervalues the state’s interest in potential life, as recognized in Roe.”

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HOWARD THE “OUTRAGEOUS.” In the interview, Lieberman continued his “diss Dean” theme, focusing on Howard Dean’s latest slap at the centrist Democratic Leadership Council.

Lieberman said even after Dean backtracked from a portion of a speech in which he “took on one of the central statements of the Clinton administration — that the era of big government is over,” he was at it again last Monday night.

In Pembroke, Dean called the DLC “the Republican wing of the Democratic Party.”

“It’s outrageous,” Lieberman, a former DLC chairman, said.

Dean said Tuesday he wasn’t serious.

“I was having a little fun at their expense,” Dean said. “They’ve been having eight months of fun at my expense.”

But Lieberman said Dean “has dramatically diverged from where the party ought to be” and put himself “in a position where he will be the candidate of one wing of the Democratic Party, and that’s not enough to win a general election.”

When confronted with tough questions about taxes, national security or the capture of Saddam Hussein, Dean “either changes the subject, or alters his comments or he throws back an invective,” Lieberman charged.

He said that on both foreign and domestic policy, “Howard has made statements that are puzzling and, I worry, impulsive. And some of them have been downright irresponsible.”

Meanwhile, Lieberman parted ways (again) with his Democratic rivals by saying he supported the Bush administration’s decision to ban French, German and Russian companies from bidding on Iraq contracts.

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PARSING HOWARD. Newsweek reported two weeks ago that Dean and his staff stopped using a corporate jet owned by Leucadia National Corp. when they discovered that the company announced plans in 2002 to set up shop in Bermuda to take advantage of a tax loophole.

Dean spokesman Tricia Enright told Newsweek the campaign had reimbursed Leucadia and that Dean was “in the process” of paying for a personal trip on the plane to Laos to recover the remains of his brother.

So several opposing campaigns took notice of the following exchange at a town hall-style Dean meeting in Manchester last Sunday night.

A questioner named “Neil from Manchester” noted that Dean had just talked about “how Republicans are tied very closely to the Bermuda tax loophole.”

Neil went on, “My question is: Isn’t it true that you and members of your campaign staff the greater part of this year were flying around in corporate jets owned by a private company that used this exact same loophole that you discussed?”

Dean answered, “No, it’s not true,” and he moved on to the next question.

Say what?

Enright tells the Status that Dean’s quick response was accurate.

First, she said, Leucadia only plans to set up a headquarters in Bermuda. According to Enright and several business Web sites, the company announced its intention in the spring of 2002, but hasn’t yet actually made the “inversion” — as the process is known in the business world.

So, she said, Leucadia hasn’t “used” the loophole.

Second, Enright said, “We have taken hundreds of flights since last January and a total of three of those flights were on (Leucadia’s) plane.” So much for the “greater part of this year” part of Neil’s query.

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KERRY’S NEXT BIG THING. Question: What can John Kerry do for an encore now that he’s literally mortgaged the house for his campaign?

Kerry’s answer: Roll out Jeanne Shaheen.

The Kerry campaign on Monday will begin airing a television ad featuring the former three-term governor, the national co-chair of his campaign.

The ad shows them walking side-by-side. Shaheen says: “Let me tell you why I am supporting John Kerry. We’re living in an increasingly dangerous world, and John Kerry has the experience and judgment needed to keep our nation safe.

“We need a President who will really take on the special interests, and John Kerry’s done it. I’m supporting John Kerry and I hope you will join me in supporting him, too.”

As expected, Shaheen won’t leave the state between now and Jan. 27 and will be on the trail for the Massachusetts senator just about 24/7.

You know what they (and we) say about endorsements in a New Hampshire primary. They don’t mean much.

But if anyone can influence Democrats in New Hampshire, you’d have to think the most influential Democrat in the state in at least the past decade can.

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KUCINICH REACHES OUT. Dennis Kucinich will be the first candidate to address a forum of Arab-American Granite Staters later today when he stops at the Islamic Society of Greater Manchester on Maple Street at 6 p.m.

Nabil Migalli of the state’s Arab-American Forum said he is impressed that Kucinich is “reaching out” to the estimated 5,000 Arab-Americans in New Hampshire.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; howarddean; johnkerry; lieberman; roevwade
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1 posted on 12/26/2003 6:50:08 AM PST by billorites
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To: billorites
Joe Lieberman still has a concience and is honest in his beliefs.

I would seriously consider voting for him for president - during peaceful times, that is.

2 posted on 12/26/2003 6:57:23 AM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: billorites
Lieberman is becoming more and more of a social conservative. He is a breath of sanity amongst a group of
political misfits.
3 posted on 12/26/2003 6:59:26 AM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: billorites
Joe is obviously courting me.
4 posted on 12/26/2003 7:01:06 AM PST by squidly (Although prepared for martyrdom, I prefer that it be postponed.)
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To: billorites
Joe seems to be having second thoughts. Maybe his religious beliefs haven't entirely evaporated through his years of association with the Dems.
5 posted on 12/26/2003 7:02:08 AM PST by Think free or die
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To: Rennes Templar
I like Joe Lieberman too but this announcement coming now must be analyzed in purely political terms. My first take is Dean is trying to reach out to the right wing of the Democratic party with his coming pronouncements of his "deep-seated" Christianity, and Joe is protecting his turf.
6 posted on 12/26/2003 7:03:22 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: billorites
So how does this help Liberman in the 'RAT primaries? The 'RAT primary voters are getting further and further to to left with each eleciton cycle. They are getting even more hardened to any restrictions to Roe and would prefer to expand the time window for legal abortions. Why stop with partial birth aborion? Why not allow infanticide of children that have been born? Lieberman is well outside the mainstream of his party.
7 posted on 12/26/2003 7:06:18 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: steplock
Lieberman is a freakin' hypocrite. Remember his impassioned speech denouncing Clinton before the impeachment vote? And how did he vote?

And he completely reversed himself on all his prior positions once he joined the Gore ticket. The only way I'd ever vote for him is if McCain was his opponent.

8 posted on 12/26/2003 7:08:37 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: billorites
If Leiberman supports a "health of the mother" allowance for late-term abortions, then he is simply blowing smoke attempting to obscure his evil agenda. The courts have ruled that ANYTHING qualifies for a "health" exception, and that the ability of the baby to live outside the womb is irrelevant, if the mother wants it dead.

I am currently over 35 weeks pregnant. My baby would live with probably minor interventions if I gave birth today - the previous one was born at 37 weeks, 7 lbs., perfect health. (He was two on Dec. 22.)

But I could go a number of places in this country and have this baby legally killed today, because of "health" issues: my ankles are swollen, I have a lot of aches and pains, my blood pressure is a little high, my stomach gets upset easily, I'm very cranky ("psychological health") and my husband is even more cranky, since I've been an disgruntled elephant all these months ("threat to relationship). The courts have ruled that babies may be killed for any of these "health reasons," if a doctor agrees to do the job.

If Leiberman were to address the right of viable pre-term babies to be born and to be cared for, irrespective of their mothers' "choice," I would begin to respect him.
9 posted on 12/26/2003 7:11:49 AM PST by Tax-chick (Some people say that Life is the thing, but I prefer reading.)
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To: Tax-chick
Hurray for you, Tax-chick! You said it all.

Best wishes for you and the new human being to whom you are about to give life.
10 posted on 12/26/2003 7:21:14 AM PST by Columbine
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To: billorites
This is classic Clintonian politics. Feint to the right and then, after you're elected, dive to the left. This is Lieberman's Sister Souljah moment.


11 posted on 12/26/2003 7:22:51 AM PST by larryav8r
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To: Tax-chick
"my blood pressure is a little high"

How does being pregnant cause a rise in your blood pressure if you don't mind me asking?

12 posted on 12/26/2003 7:27:54 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Columbine
Thanks ... I forgot to mention that I also can't go to CPAC, because I'm supposed be having the baby right about then :-(. My oldest daughter is going, hope she gets me Dick Cheney's autograph!

Merry Christmas to you and yours!
13 posted on 12/26/2003 7:29:07 AM PST by Tax-chick (Some people say that Life is the thing, but I prefer reading.)
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To: billorites
...the period of time a woman actually has a “right to choose” gradually grows shorter as medical science pushes fetal viability ever-earlier in pregnancy.

Wow.

A reasonable person, facing a moving target like this on a decision as monumental as a human life, could reasonably conclude that it would be more prudent to err on the conservative side-- say the date of conception-- until medical science finally got its' collective head out of its fifth point of contact.

14 posted on 12/26/2003 7:30:20 AM PST by Egon (I'll still respect you... I'll respect you even more... Just use more whipped cream...)
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To: billorites; steplock; Rennes Templar
First: The time of "viability" outside the womb has nothing whatever to do with the justice of killing a baby inside the womb. The fact that a person cannot survive being plunged into an ice-cold bath for 30 minutes doesn't mean that I have the right to hack him to death with an axe instead. Second: Note how Lieberman tacitly accepts that the USSC has the authority to legislate. In fact, Lieberman speaks of Roe exactly as if it were a piece of legislation--to be updated and amended as new facts come in. And of course, Roe and dozens of other USSC decisions ARE legislation.
15 posted on 12/26/2003 7:32:54 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: KantianBurke
How does being pregnant cause a rise in your blood pressure if you don't mind me asking?

Can't speak for Tax-Chick, or any other woman for that matter, but... My blood pressure was certainly a little high through the majority of my wife's pregnancy! ;>

I'm projecting a decrease sometime close to 18 years from now...

16 posted on 12/26/2003 7:33:25 AM PST by Egon (I'll still respect you... I'll respect you even more... Just use more whipped cream...)
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To: steplock
if you read carefully what Lieberman says, this is classic Clinton; sound moderate, but really he still supports partial birth abortion if the mother has a "health" (ie has a cold) exemption.
17 posted on 12/26/2003 7:36:18 AM PST by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: KantianBurke
How does being pregnant cause a rise in your blood pressure?

According to "What to Expect When You're Expecting," it has not been determined what causes high blood pressure in pregnancy. Kind of surprises me, actually. It can be extremely dangerous to the baby in the last weeks of pregnancy, so in severe cases the babies will be delivered early.

Mine is only up a little, and almost certainly due to the amount of weight I've gained, or the stress of having to take my other six children along on OB checkups. I'm looking forward to going back to Weight Watchers in just a few weeks! But seriously, anxiety about my weight could be considered a sufficient "health reason" for abortion, even at this stage, as could the inconvenience of getting the proper prenatal care with my horde along. Scary, isn't it?

18 posted on 12/26/2003 7:39:47 AM PST by Tax-chick (Some people say that Life is the thing, but I prefer reading.)
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To: steplock
yeah...? and as P.T. Barnum once said... "A new fool is born every minute."
19 posted on 12/26/2003 7:46:07 AM PST by Bob Eimiller (Kennedy..Kerry..Leahy...Pelosi..Kucinich.."Catholics" who Promote Partial Birth Abortion.)
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To: billorites
Attorney general to take charge of mounting legal challenge to abortion

Call me a cynic, but I think Joe's just sniffing the political winds...

20 posted on 12/26/2003 7:49:30 AM PST by IncPen ( "Saddam is in our hearts! Saddam is in our hearts!" "Saddam is in our jail!")
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