Posted on 12/23/2003 8:18:05 AM PST by marshmallow
It's a very selective "truth," one which sees all the fault in the world in the object of one's hatred.
And anti-Semitic bigots, like anti-Catholic ones, have their own set of supposed "truths" to point to.
People are bigots because they feel more comfortable that way. It gives them someone to blame for their own inadequacies and failures, and for the inadequacies and failures of groups with whom they identify. And it relieves them of the obligation to actually think, and grow up, and deal with a complex world like an intelligent adult.
They'll never, ever, ever solve that one. They just want to please everybody.
Eliminate priests.
Have the Pope tell the whole globe
that all Christians are
servants of Jesus,
and that the whole notion of
some Christians being
on Heaven's fast-track
was dubious from the start.
Problem goes away...
"The Inquisition" is a misnomer, there were several Inquisitions. Some used force, and some didn't. The term inquisitio simply means a particular kind of (Roman) investigative legal procedure. The concept and the name came into English common law as the "inquest".
ArrogantBustard is not being dense at all. He's trying to get people who habitually complain about Rome's "tyranny" out of one side of their mouth, and her "laxity" out of the other, to see the contradictory nature of their position(s).
If they "can seem", then they "do seem." And George recognizes this as a pastoral problem.
The Cardinal calls for respect too. Perhaps you should ask him.
The Cardinal calls for respect too. Perhaps you should ask him.
The word "priest" comes from the Greek "presbyter," meaning "elder". The office of elder is mentioned in the NT, and has existed in the Church from the earliest times. The Pope can no more "eliminate priests" than he can eliminate Jesus.
The idea that priests are "on Heaven's fast-track" is not Catholic teaching. Scripture says that teachers are judged more severely. Does that sound like being "on Heaven's fast-track" to you?
Do you really mean Teddy, or do you have material for a book here? ;-)
Nope, it was JFK. My Grandfather was a staunch (R), and worked for the IRS in the 50's to 70's.
He dug and found that JFK was trashed at a party and got married to a local chippie. Papa Pro-Hitler Joe got Cushing to have the marriage annulled and sealed!
There are books already on the subject, but the proof is either in the diocese in Boston, The Vatican, or at the bottom of Boston Harbor.
That is not a trivial difference.
He also strongly implied that the priests who are behind this open letter need to reexamine their own fidelity to the Church's teaching.
Thank you -- very enlightening. A couple of them are near me, but I go only to parishes/shrines whose priests I know are loyal to the Church.
Yes I agree. There are a few more basics that are needed but the things I mention are not supposed to be make or break issues.
The Cardinal is attempting to elucidate the nature of the priests' complaint. He puts forward essentially two possibilities. The first is to do with the pastoral problem of dealing with homosexuals. He acknowledges this as a legitimate and serious concern. He would like to talk with them, if this is indeed their concern. He does not state that this is their concern. Rather he hopes it is.
Possibility #2, is that the priests have a fundamental problem with Church doctrine. Specifically, they may reject the concept that sodomy is sinful. He regards this as extremely serious and even more requiring of a talk.
I think most people on this thread, including me, believe that #2 is the real source of the priests' anger. That thought is also in the Cardinal's mind.
Do you disagree?
Not really. You either believe in the doctrine of the Church, or you don't. So that makes only two types of Catholics: believers and non-believers.
I take your etymology lesson; I'm sure it's an important point in an actual discussion of earlier times.
This appears to be a letter from this century, from a couple dozen RC priests in one city. So let's cut through the fog. When the church can't remove a priest who works against her declared positions, she is at the least LAX.
The further question is why is she so lax? To an outsider, it looks like simple cowardice.
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