Posted on 12/12/2003 1:00:50 PM PST by Wolfstar
Maybe true but they know full well that the precedent has been set.
And set by a strong strong once in a lifetime conservative.
Do you think they they'd believe that less conservative men would pass/extend another amnesty?
The illegals are clearly operating under the belief that we will extend it.
The numbers accelerated after amnesty was granted.
I don't see what you disagree we me about. My next line says it all and goes beyond conservatives and the Republican Party.
"He'll be ignoring the vast majority of American's..."
That's a death wish for anyone.
Reagan's policy mistakes were exactly and no more than that - honest mistakes. In all cases, Reagan tried to do his sworn duty, to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. His only mistakes were minor mistakes in methodology, that stayed well within the bounds of Constitutional limits.
Every President has made at least a few mistakes. Most were honest mistakes. I even forgive Jimmy Carter for his numerous mistakes. Even though he wasn't all that bright, politically, I believe that he really did his best. His best just wasn't all that good. He was really trying to do good and his mistakes were honest mistakes, just as were Reagan's mistakes.
However, a few Presidents have made policy decisions that went far beyond the simple mistake category. Klinton's attempts to subvert the Constitution were too numerous to count. Fortunately, the GOP led Congress managed to stop his almost every attempt to do so. Dubya, on the other hand, has not made nearly as many attempts to subvert the Constitution. But unfortunately, due to the tendency of the Republicans in Congress to rubber stamp the initiatives of a Republican President, he has been successful in each of those cases. Dubya has made a few honest mistakes, too (at least I assume they were honest) and for those, I can forgive him. But, just as I can never forgive klinton for his many attempts to subvert the Constitution, I can never forgive Dubya for his successful subversions of the Constitution.
Mistakes in methodology can be corrected, by the next President, as Reagan showed, after taking over from Carter. But, when the Constitution is subverted, as Dubya has done, the damage is much more permanent and is not easily repaired, if it can ever be repaired, at all. Both Reagan's and Carter's mistakes were honest mistakes and should be forgiven. Klinton's and Dubya's attempts to subvert the Constitution were intentional attempts to increase the power of government and by extension, their own power and such actions should not be condoned by any freedom loving American, regardless of party affiliation.
As Americans, when we go into a war, we have certain standards that we believe in and adhere to. Even while the Germans and Japanese were mistreating and even killing many of our POW's in WWII, we stuck to our standards and whenever the people overseeing our prison camps went too far, we didn't wait for Germany or Japan to complain. We punished the offender(s) ourselves. As Americans, we expect more responsibility from our troops and we hold them accountable, sometimes even going overboard, in the process (ex: LTC West). But, the point is that we expect more from our own and then hold them accountable.
I use the POW analogy, because as Republicans, we aspire to a much higher standard than the Rats and for that reason, when one of our own goes too far, we should be the first to take him to task and prove that if our's is a double standard, it's because we hold our own to a higher standard, not a lower standard. By allowing Dubya a pass, for succeeding at what we derided klinton for trying, we are effectively saying that our standards are only for other people and don't apply to Republicans. If we don't apply our standards equally, we become no better morally, than the Rats, albeit with a better fiscal and military policy.
We forgive Reagan his honest mistakes and should likewise forgive Carter, his honest mistakes. We called klinton to account for his attacks on the Constitution and should likewise hold Dubya to account for his attacks on the Constitution. Anything less, does a terrible disservice to the GOP and takes away from us the most important thing that separates us from the Rats - our moral high ground.
The other critical mistake was making men like Osama believe the US was a paper tiger after he folded so quickly in Lebanon.
Reagan was a good President, I voted for him twice but by no means could he walk on water.
With that said ... giving amnesty to 12 million illegals really isn't a smart idea.
I can understand Ridge throwing out a trial balloon to get the debate started .. but he does need to rethink this all very carefully
Hrmmmm... if you really believe Carter was an honest man after all his screechingly leftist defense of every petty dictator around the world in the last couple years, I dunno, you're seeming a bit gullible to me.
I didn't say that Carter was smart. In fact, I made it clear that he was definitely not up to the task. But, intelligence and honesty do not necessarily go hand-in-hand. I think that Carter honestly believes in the goodness of what he was doing. He was also an idiot and for that reason, he had no business in the Whitehouse. Even so, I believe that he was an honest idiot.
I do remember that even Pres. Fox in Mexico was really disappointed that he wasn't able to get GWB to work with him for awhile on immigration, but was willing to wait....But what I read on here now, is that he's just letting people swarm over the border and come swarming into the country!
The Bush administration is now floating the idea of an amnesty for illegal aliens.
They aren't secureing our borders, they are rewarding criminal invaders.
Number two, I thought that there were border patrol people, and military people down there trying to catch illegal aliens as best as they could, aren't they? And one thing that no one wants to talk about is that Bill Clinton/Al Gore let hundreds if not more come in and 'get legal', just in time for election! But I don't see anyone blaming any of them for it! No, they act as if it is GWB, and him only, who is doing this!
I opposed those policies. I see no rational reason for a Republican administration to pursue them. The immigration picers, as Peter Brimlow put it, have not closed yet.
Of course, I did not support Bush.
I also think that the leftists in this country are making mischief among the conservatives; trying to divide them! And if we stay divided, squabbling over this one issue, they will succeed in taking us over! I'm really surprized and disturbed by some of the things people are saying on here tonight!
Sorry, but the leftists have infiltrated our ranks. The Bush administration is promoting a liberal agenda.
Don't confuse party with ideology.
Unless conservatives speak out, we will be to the GOP what blacks are to the Democrats: a reliable voting block that does not need to be rewarded.
An oldie but goodie!😁
I don’t know if this thread will actually show up but I wonder how those who are still here, feel about today’s border, Illegals garbage?😟
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