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AMNESTY CRISIS: Fight Tom Ridge's new plan
Numbers USA ^ | 12-10-03 | Roy Beck

Posted on 12/10/2003 1:28:20 PM PST by Klickitat

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To: Dave S
Most immigrants, legal or illegal work harder than the average American citizen and certainly harder than those citizens

What part of Breaking the law don't you understand?? They are law breakers and deserve to go to jail and be sent HOME.
41 posted on 12/10/2003 3:13:32 PM PST by chicagolady (Merry Christmas to all and to all a Good Night)
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To: LADY J
If it worked once - it could work again if someone had the backbone to implement it.

How about Tom Tancredo for president?

42 posted on 12/10/2003 3:14:34 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Klickitat
Do you think it is coincidence that the media has been covering so many bleeding heart poor suffering "undocumented workers" types of stories lately?

No. The Houston Chronicrap has been filled with them lately. Always some sob story over their treacherous journey over the border and how they struggle to survive once they get here. I don't feel sorry for these lawbreakers in the least. If there weren't that many, than maybe I would feel sorry for them but when there are millions of them, no way. It's an invasion and I've hadenuf.

43 posted on 12/10/2003 3:16:05 PM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. -Michelangelo)
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To: LADY J
Right on about backbone. Rewarding behavior we don't want will get it repeated won't it? This is a huge issue and large majorities of both parties (suprise!) want it fixed. In the mean time it looks like big business gets the break while we pay the taxes which support the importation of poverty.
44 posted on 12/10/2003 3:19:07 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
How about Tom Tancredo for president?

I would vote for him in a heartbeat. This week probably has determined another (4th time) 3rd party person. I had lunch with 2 of my friends that we get together every 6 weeks or so. Both of them are totally upset with GW. Although they voted for him last time I can see them sitting out next yrs election. And what did GW get by becoming a liberal? The libs hate him & he has pissed off true conservatives. Nice job, Rove.

45 posted on 12/10/2003 3:26:58 PM PST by Digger
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To: Digger
Nice job, Rove.

It doesn't matter what the polls say today... Bush's father was at 90% approval a year before his re-election try and still lost. Supporting amnesties for illegal aliens will lose this Bush votes and possibly the election.

Might be an excellent opportunity for him to show he's not in favor of this idea and start cleaning house, beginning with Rove and Ridge.

46 posted on 12/10/2003 3:37:23 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; RKV
This will be an interesting election. The Dims are so bad - the Republicans are banking on support of those who would rather die than vote for a Dim.

The problem with that is you can push people only so far and they either tire from the effort to push back - or they just give up in despair.

47 posted on 12/10/2003 3:40:02 PM PST by LADY J
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To: Klickitat
The terrorists must be laughing their heads of at the statements of their man Ridge.

Of course deporting illegals is workable. Instead of having our soldiers die overseas we should have them posted on our borders.

Illegal aliens are criminals. If the people in other countries choose to over-breed, this does not mean we have to take in their surplus and their deviants.

48 posted on 12/10/2003 3:41:44 PM PST by Dante3
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Time to bring out the list again.

This is a bad situation as I see it. Any additions, deletions, or changes?

• The Hispanic population will continue to grow faster than others.
• Amnesty will not stop illegal immigration...
• But amnesties and illegal immigration with both continue into the foreseeable future.
• Also, illegal immigrants will not be deported — won't happen.
• Any atempt at mass deportation will invoke riots (fires/lootings/shootings/etc) in cities across the country.
• And a two language nation (like Canada) may very well evolve here.
• Meanwhile, the growing illegal population grows the underground economy...
• And the underground economy is a drain on the national economy.
• A massive subculture is the last thing we need.
• Presently, most illegals live in poverty...
• And people living in poverty tend to be a big Democrat constituancy.
• Illegals, by definition, are fugitives...
• And more fugitives will cause more problems as they prey on us to survive.
• Therefore, they will be legalized (via amnesty) and they will become voters.
• They will also become tax payers.
• How many potential voters are we talking about?
• No party can afford to concede that many votes. That's the political reality.
• If we don't assimilate them under our terms, they will assimilate themselves under their own terms.
• Without assimilation, all the problems you can think of will become more and more unmanageable and much more expensive to solve.
• People like Trancredo can change what is happening, but not what has already happened.
• This all represents the price we must pay for generations of open borders.
• We can't let wishful thinking overshadow reality.

49 posted on 12/10/2003 3:47:30 PM PST by Consort
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To: Dante3
To change the subject. CNN Lou Dobbs has a poll to freep, he will be on till 4 on the west coast. Should illegals be granted ammensty.
50 posted on 12/10/2003 3:49:54 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Dave S
"And what impact is it going to have on morale to stick our troops another desert but this time give them orders not to fire on anyone unless fired upon. Armies are created to kill people and destroy property not guard borders."

Put every recruit out of boot camp on the border for 6 months and let them earn their marksmanship medal, they might not learn to destroy property but the other half of the equation is solved.
51 posted on 12/10/2003 3:52:21 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: Klickitat
He said one of these, which would require all illegal immigrants to leave the country before applying for residency, is 'not workable.' "

Oh? Well then, our republic is "not workable," except as a plaything for members of what Bob Novak called "the bipartisan political class" during the Clinton impeachment.

There is an unfathomable arrogance in remarks like these from government officials who allowed the immigration laws---passed don't forget by elected representatives of the people---to go unenforced for so long, and then proclaim that it's in effect "too late" to undo the damage their lack of enforcement did, or to enforce the law finally.

Not the way to preserve people's faith in their government, guys. And ultimately, not the way to keep civil peace, either.

52 posted on 12/10/2003 3:54:46 PM PST by Map Kernow (" 'Hate speech' is just 'speech liberals hate' ")
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To: dalereed
Of course the purpose of our army is to protect our borders. To let the enemy march into our country is absurd. And we are facing a new kind of war where the enemy infiltrates our country.

Other countries have had the military on the border -- the former Soviet Union had KGB troops protecting its borders. Koreans have their army protecting their borders.

Sure some illegal aliens might work hard. And so do many of our own criminals -- Dr. Svango was a hard worker and a number other serial killers. This is no excuse to allow illegal aliens to break our laws.

53 posted on 12/10/2003 4:04:02 PM PST by Dante3
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To: LADY J
The problem with that is you can push people only so far and they either tire from the effort to push back - or they just give up in despair.

That could be what's going on here, keep throwing up trial balloons until we get so tired of the issue we go away.

54 posted on 12/10/2003 4:06:02 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: calawah98
Can you post the poll?
55 posted on 12/10/2003 4:07:51 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
If the military can't handle it just put a bounty on them, I could retire within a month here in San Diego County, might even make enough extra to replace the airplane I crashed.
56 posted on 12/10/2003 4:10:12 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: LADY J
It ridiculous to give up our country

Give up our county to who? A bunch of impoverished peons? What a hoot!

These people pose no more a threat that did the Irish, Italian or German immigrants of times gone by. A bit of research will show that the same things being written and said about the Mexicans was said about these earlier groups. Were those disparaging comments made about the micks, wops and krauts wrong?

57 posted on 12/10/2003 4:11:36 PM PST by The Shootist
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To: chicagolady
I agree. Of course illegal aliens can be rounded up and sent back. This is not too difficult: Either you are an illegal or you aren't. Same for legal immigrants who commit crimes. And we should levy huge penalties on anyone who hires illegals.

The biggest threat to this country does not come from overseas but from the infiltration of our communities by the enemy.

58 posted on 12/10/2003 4:14:41 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
"Of course the purpose of our army is to protect our borders. To let the enemy march into our country is absurd. And we are facing a new kind of war where the enemy infiltrates our country."

What is ironic is that our soldiers are protecting someone else's country. We have lots of tough talk about how we are going to do this from our leaders.

How do we look when we talk tough and presume to show others how to get the enemy out of their country while we wring our hands here at home and look helpless?

It does not make any sense.

59 posted on 12/10/2003 4:18:00 PM PST by LADY J
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To: Dante3
And we should levy huge penalties on anyone who hires illegals.

The use of Drug dealer / RICO style asset forfeiture laws against any individual, business, or corporation hiring illegal aliens would solve the problem pronto. I venture less than 100 "examples" would be made public and the illegals would leave so fast that the Rio Grande would flow west.

60 posted on 12/10/2003 4:25:33 PM PST by Vidi_Vici_Vinnny (An armed man is a Citizen. An unarmed man is a Subject.)
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