***Supreme Court Eliminates 1st Amendment Rights: America Died Today***

Stardate: 0312.10

[The Wizard]

In a move that will eliminate the 1st amendment protections of free speach was just announced.....

America, established by the the Founding Fathers in 1776, has ended.

[Jack Black]

The law, as I read it, does not effect the web or print media. (I think that the 'rats know that anyone who can read is probably a lost cause to them already). This is about keeping the Ophrah vote intact and dumbed down.

[Jack Black]

I am so sick of all these people who are ONLY NOW discovering that our rights are under attack. Where the hell were you people 40 years ago??

Personally I was in Kindergarden. There are lots of 20 somethings here too. They have essentially never lived in anything resembling a Constitutional Republic and can't remember times when the 2nd, 4th and 5th meant something.

[Texas Federalist]

The soft money ban was not the most objectionable part of this legislation. Perhaps you could explain how restricting political advertisements by issue based groups is not speech? The majority opinion does not even make the argument. They merely say that the government's interest in prohibiting the appearance of corruption is sufficient to justify infringing our freedom of speech. Basically, the court's rulings in the last few years have set the precedent that flag burning and child pornography is protected speech, but political speech isn't.

[antiRepublicrat]

People, money isn't speech, speech is speech.

But it banned ads, which are clearly speech.

[antiRepublicrat]

In fact, he campaigned against it.

So why did he sign it? Was there enough support in Congress for a veto override?

[Texas Federalist]

If you want to see something interesting, go to the library and look at some of transcripts of late 19th and early 20th century Congressionable debates. You will routinely see that they considered the Constitutionality of a bill in almost every debate. Likewise, presidents of the era routinely vetoed bills they agreed with because they didn't believe they were constitutional. The legislative and executive branch have appeared to abdicate their constitutional responsibilities over the last century in the name of political expediency.

[Durus]

If the "assault" weapons bill get re-authorised, and at this rate I have no reason not to think it won't, then next november doesn't matter.

[uncbob]

If the "assault" weapons bill get re-authorised, and at this rate I have no reason not to think it won't,

Well then Bush can keep one of his campaign promises by signing it . I guess his supporters will claim that it makes up for not vetoing CFR

[NutCrackerBoy]

Why did he [Bush] sign it?

He broke a campaign promise for political expediency. Vetoing it would have (supposedly) given Democrats fuel for their fire.

Was there enough support in Congress for a veto override?

Not even close.

[nygoose]

Free speech? Go stand on a soapbox outside City Hall in Chicago and start criticizing Mayor Daley. You'll be in the slammer within twenty minutes.

[Tribune7]

If the "assault" weapons bill get re-authorised, and at this rate I have no reason not to think it won't, then next november doesn't matter.

The most important thing is judges that respect the Constitution. November matters big time whether the damn weapons bill gets re-authorized or not.

It is very important that people like you stay motivated and involved. I don't like Karl Rove or Andy Card, and I could be dead wrong about Dubya being a good guy -- although considering the people who absolutely hate him I don't see how.

Regardless, there is not option to him in November. I am doing my damnedest to get rid of Specter in Pa.

[zook]

"You have an interesting definition of being clear-headed."

I gave no definition. I simply pointed out that at that time, the smart money was saying that the SC would toss out that provision of the bill.

[zook]

"That is intellectually dishonest in the extreme!"

It's politics. I hope GW will do everything to turn this sow's ear into a silk purse, or at least a nice leather one.

[zook]

"Well that REAL POLITIK just screwed the BILL OF RIGHTS "

You know, cute as they are, snappy comebacks are sometimes just plain nonsense.

[Sloth]

I gave no definition. I simply pointed out that at that time, the smart money was saying that the SC would toss out that provision of the bill.

OK, you have an interesting definition of "the smart money". Because clearly the 'clear heads' with their 'smart money' were flat wrong.

Why do bills go to the President for veto or signature?

[Durus]

I will be involved and motivated. If the "damned" weapons bill gets passed though, I won't involved and motivated for Bush.

The sadly ironic part is that, despite everything, I think President Bush is basically a good and decent person, I just can't, in good conscience, vote for him again.

[Let's Roll]

"Basically, the court's rulings in the last few years have set the precedent that flag burning and child pornography is protected speech, but political speech isn't."

You nailed it. And you know what I think was driving a lot of this - on the part of the sheeple who don't even know how badly they've been shorn? They were tired of all the political ads on tv during the election season.

They didn't want to be bothered so now they won't be - they will have even less of a clue about who is running, their backgrounds etc.

[Let's Roll]

The dims are worse - he must stop listening to Rove.

[mercy]

We can cry all we want but there is a way to fight this. Even make it work for us. We MUST have our own media outlets. Not just one little cable news outlet. The captains of industry who care about America, and there ARE some, need to take over at least one and preferably two of the three major networks. How tough would that be?

[Tribune7]

I will be involved and motivated. If the "damned" weapons bill gets passed though, I won't involved and motivated for Bush.

Well who are you going to support? Dean? Third Party?

If your agenda is to protect the 2nd Amendment how is a third party campaign going to help?