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Fallout continues from Web pictures [Penn State College Republicans]
The Digital Collegian [Penn State student newspaper] ^ | December 8, 2003 | By Bridget Smith

Posted on 12/08/2003 8:40:56 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining

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To: Question_Assumptions
I'll sit a wait for the #000000 vote and the Jewish vote too.

Yeah.

Right.
41 posted on 12/09/2003 1:04:33 AM PST by autoresponder (<html> <center> <img src="http://0access.web1000.com/HV.gif"> </center> </html> HILLARY SHOOTS!)
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To: StabbinPont
StabbinPont said: "You and Ann Coulter bastardize the conservative movement by not recognizing that these are our countrymen, whether they agree with you or not."

These people are most certainly my enemies.

I own five rifles which are now illegal to possess in Kalifornia. To avoid prison, I must store them out of state. Only my enemies would attempt to disarm me and threaten me with prison for failing to cooperate.

Only an enemy would require me to spend my own money to prove that I am not a criminal before permitting me to purchase a firearm.

Only my enemies would suggest that I might have to do without fire department protection because I won't consent to the state spending $15 billion more per year than annual tax revenues.

Only my enemies would suggest that a person of a different race should be admitted into a state university instead of my more academically qualified daughter.

Only my enemies would expel a young boy for proudly drawing a picture of his soldier father bearing arms.

My home of fifty years in Kalifornia is worthless to me and, as soon as I can convince my wife to do so, we will leave, forever. Just as I recognize that I am the enemy of Kalifornia liberals, the liberals in my new home state will know that they are my enemies. I will encourage them to take up residence in Kalifornia.

42 posted on 12/09/2003 1:07:41 AM PST by William Tell
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To: StopGlobalWhining
He is extremely intelligent. A senior in Aeronautical Engineering, Brian is skilled in logic, both verbal and symbolic, or he would have never reached the point in his education where he is at this moment. The left argues from anger and emotion, and cannot refute logical arguments.

Oh, and posting a photo of someone in blackface is a logical argument? Spare me.

43 posted on 12/09/2003 1:11:44 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Question_Assumptions
Anything to do with the Klan and blackface is about as appropriate as using Nazi regalia to make fun of Jews. This was stupid. Very stupid. I'd resign, too.

Great response!

44 posted on 12/09/2003 1:15:53 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Question_Assumptions
I'm not using Radical Homosexuality to condone with the College pubbies did (can't speak to al sharpton, I assume that was something the other poster said), I'm trying to point out the hyprocrisy of those critizing them. (And I can't spell those complicated words, I'm sorry.)

For one thing, the pubbies were joking around, the homos are not. I admit they were foolish to put the pictures on the web, but this was still all intended as humor. I don't think it's reasonable to attempt to censor humor, no matter how broad, vulger, or even mean-spiritied.

I think homos have a right to parade around dressed up as nuns, or whatever. It's disgusting, but they have the right to do it. I just don't want to be told that I have to pay for it, I have to like it, I can't criticize it. I also think these folks had the right to do what they did. Now they are getting critized for it, which they might have expected. But in terms of throwing them out of school, or shutting down their organization, that is an unacceptable level of response that borders on, if it does not constitute, censorship.
45 posted on 12/09/2003 4:50:43 AM PST by jocon307 (The Dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: StopGlobalWhining
Sounds like Brian's a first class idiot as well.
46 posted on 12/09/2003 4:55:39 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
where's the link to the photos in question....
47 posted on 12/09/2003 5:01:43 AM PST by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: Lancey Howard
I certainly agree that "joking about the KKK" has no place anywhere. That is disgusting. But all I have to go by are 'reports' about pictures on a website, and I do not know if there truly was "joking about the KKK" at this party, or if so, what the context was. (Was it "illustrating absurdity with absurdity" by deliberately portraying a despicable stereotype that way too many blacks have of Republicans? I do not know.)

Fair enough. But I would argue that even mentioning the KKK is not really an appropriate to illustrate the absurd and it honestly doesn't sound that way to me. A lot of blacks avoid the Republican party as a home for racists and don't consider the KKK a joking matter. They won't see any humor or irony in this. They'll simply see confirmation that what they believe is true -- Republicans are all closet racists.

But I do know that the one guy who was in "black face" with a bicycle chain was deliberately mocking a certain campus black activist who was convicted of stealing a bicycle. Fair game, in my opinion, and no need to apologize. (A little over the top, I agree - - I wouldn't have done it myself....)

It is fair game to mock a black activist for stealing bikes but not appropriate to do so in blackface. Criticizing the bike theft is fine but making it a racial issue with blackface is not. Blackface has a pretty nasty history as a form of racial mockery in this country. By the way, I do recommend Spike Lee's movie Bamboozled -- it's actually a pretty conservative movie, in my opinion, since it seems to hold blacks at least partially responsible for stereotyping themselves. It deals with the subject matter is blackface. It ends with clips from many movies of blacks acting in stereotyped roles and of whites in blackface. Although I don't consider every one of those clips racist (as I'm sure Spike Lee does), several of the blackface clips were enough to make me wince and I can see why blacks don't find it funny. And, yes, I'm holding a double standard by saying that Spike Lee can make fun of blackface for the same reason why its funny when Mel Brooks makes fun of Nazis.

But again, please see the last part of my previous post. It would bother me to know that Battaglia posted those pictures with the idea of picking a fight. That would be as stupid as Rush Limbaugh making comments about racial/political issues on an ESPN football pregame show, for crying out loud! (I admire the heck out of the guy, but what in God's name was he thinking??)

My impression is that he posted the picture for a limited audience. But that's beside the point. As a white, I've had other whites tell me racists jokes when no other blacks are around. I frankly don't want the leadership of a Republican group doing stuff like that in private because if it gets out, a lot of blacks are going to say, "Yup, just what we thought. Behind closed doors, they are a bunch of racists." And its going to leave black conservatives who do call themselves Republicans in the uncomfortable position of explaining why they aren't just Uncle Toms for the white racist Republicans. Yes, it may not be fair that Republicans are held to such a high standard but that's the challenge that they have to meet if they want to change the minds of many blacks. When you are fighting a stereotype, you need to erase any vestigages of that stereotype.

By the way, I do not ever wish that black people would "magically disappear from the United States" and I resent the inference. It so happens that a large bulk of my business brings me into contact with individual black clients every week and most of them are the nicest, hardest working people I get to meet.

And I'm quite happy to hear that. My point was twofold. First, there are a few racist Freepers and I was curious if I'd manage to draw out any of the "ship 'em back" crowd. I'm glad you are not a racist and apologize if I offended you. I wasn't really trying to call anyone in particular a racist so much as I was trying to post something that would give racists and non-racists an opportunity to show where they stand. Second, there are whites who are not necessarily racist but simply think that blacks can be ignored or left in ghettos. That isn't going to happen. The crime problem in predominantly black urban areas is an American problem, not simply a black problem. I was trying to get people in this group to think about that.

I agree that the Republican Party better go after black voters. Republicans certainly must have a better idea than the Democrats' destructive welfare-state/vote-buying scheme that has all but destroyed the urban black family unit.

The numbers of black conservatives are growing, and this is a good thing, but they are growing slowly. But the single biggest obstacle is that many blacks perceive the Republican party as a place that racists feel comfortable to call home and they don't want to have anything to do with it. That's a tough problem to solve and incidents such as this are a set-back, not progress.

48 posted on 12/09/2003 8:30:21 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: jocon307
For one thing, the pubbies were joking around, the homos are not.

I suspect that the homosexual activists would tell you that they were just joking around, too. I would bet that they find that stuff pretty funny, even if conservatives do not.

I admit they were foolish to put the pictures on the web, but this was still all intended as humor. I don't think it's reasonable to attempt to censor humor, no matter how broad, vulger, or even mean-spiritied.

When you are a spokesman for an oranization and get involved in broad, vulger, or mean-spirited humor, that organization has to decide if that's the sort of humor it wants to be associated with. I agree that they should not be expelled but I'd like to see them dropped from the Republican club.

I think homos have a right to parade around dressed up as nuns, or whatever. It's disgusting, but they have the right to do it. I just don't want to be told that I have to pay for it, I have to like it, I can't criticize it. I also think these folks had the right to do what they did. Now they are getting critized for it, which they might have expected. But in terms of throwing them out of school, or shutting down their organization, that is an unacceptable level of response that borders on, if it does not constitute, censorship.

I think the bigger problem is that they are calling themselves a Republican organization and that associates them with the Republican Party. I don't think they should be expelled but I do think that the college can ask them to remove offensive material if it was posted on a college web server and I do think the Republicans should stop these clowns from using that name. When you are the spokesperson of an organization, your character reflects on that organization whether you are an actor promoting a movie, a CEO backing a political cause, a President having an affair, or some idiot in clown calling yourself a Republican.

49 posted on 12/09/2003 8:43:09 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: autoresponder
I'll sit a wait for the #000000 vote and the Jewish vote too.

More young blacks are voting Republican and so are religious Jews. Changes like that don't happen overnight and Republicans don't really have to do anything else to keep that progress going other than to avoid acting like bigots. Is that really too difficult to do?

50 posted on 12/09/2003 9:49:48 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
Just because they don't get punished does not mean that conservatives need to take it as an invitation to be despicable, too

War is hell.

51 posted on 12/09/2003 9:58:05 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Perhaps, but becoming everything that you despise about the enemy to fight them is not the answer. Especially when it does not advance the cause. You should notice that acting like freaks does not really help radical blacks and homosexual activists. It turns normal people off. So why should we act like freaks? Are we trying to turn normal people off, too?
52 posted on 12/09/2003 10:07:13 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: StopGlobalWhining
and an unidentified white man wearing blue bed sheets with a caption referring to the Ku Klux Klan.

Dumb.

A fourth photograph showed a white man in blackface and a bicycle chain over his shoulder, mocking Undergraduate Student Government (USG) and former Black Caucus Vice President Takkeem Morgan.

That's dumb with the blackface. There's a better way to make fun of the thief than that. PR is important and you can't play into the hands of your enemies.

He said the man turned to the group when leaving the debate and said someone would die, but it wouldn't be him.

Who? If someone is threatening, name names, or don't mention it. If someone threatened to kill me, the situation would be resolved in an appropiate fashion.

53 posted on 12/09/2003 10:09:17 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: Question_Assumptions
There's times and places for all tactics. I agree that the blackface and Klan thing was dumb since it played into the hands of the enemy. I don't care if it's despicable or not. After what the NAAcommunistP did in 2000, radical left caucuses(of all colors) and the like are the enemy and needs to be taken out(politically).
54 posted on 12/09/2003 10:12:20 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I totally agree. The College Republicans are continuously subjected to harrassment by the administration and these extremist leftist groups. These are the same anti-American people who gave aid and comfort to the enemy during their pre-Iraq war protests.

The followup to this thread is at Web site owner makes apology [Penn State College Republicans]

55 posted on 12/09/2003 8:32:16 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Cheney-Rumsfeld in '08)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I think that there is never a place for some tactics. That does not mean that I think conservatives should be pansies and not fight. I'd have no problem if they took on the leader of a black group in the realm of ideas or even in the courts. But making fun of a race to get at a man is something I can't imagine ever being a good move. It's a bad move when the left does it. The right doesn't need to adopt the worst ideas from the left.
56 posted on 12/09/2003 9:21:28 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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