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Reflections Upon the U.S. Supreme Court's Rejection of Silveira
Keep and Bear Arms ^ | 4 December 2003 | Peter J. Mancus

Posted on 12/05/2003 10:08:03 AM PST by 45Auto

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To: archy
"How many will fight....?

It won't take many...to defeat the effeminate, anti violence, unarmed "peace worshiping" leftists...

They prefer to invade and enslave by "structuring the law"...to achieve their goals..
That is precisely why they are resisting the judges that President Bush has put forth...
In the FUTURE - it should be IMPOSSIBLE to get another Ruth Bader Ginsberg on the court....IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

If my memory serves -- less that 20% of the citizens supported America's revolution against King George..and less than 5% actually stood and fought the English....

At today's populations 5% = more than 10,000,000 armed men. Most, far better trained and personally capable, than the original "minute men"....

The left is best advised to freaking "cool it".....NOW!

Semper Fi

41 posted on 12/05/2003 5:10:59 PM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: archy
The only questions are when and how the flashpoint will erupt.


42 posted on 12/05/2003 5:22:46 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: spunkets
They were bitching, because they wouldn't get their pills for free.

I've been told that the bill includes a billion or so to provide medcial care for illegals. Haven't had time to verify that, though.

43 posted on 12/05/2003 5:55:19 PM PST by templar
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks for the ping.

The author summarizes the problem quite well.

I believe that we are in a state similar to those of the colonies between 1760 and 1775.

Basically, people are legitimately angry, but haven't reached the point of doing something about it.

I suspect that there will be a "flash point" event which brings things to a head. What that event is will likely come as a surprise to people on both sides.

Going back to the American Revolution analogy, who would have predicted that the "flash point" would occur when 70 church-going small-town Americans lined up on Lexington Green to oppose a British army of 700 that had come to seize their arms and arrest two Patriot leaders?

That event ignited the passions of thousands of Americans who literally dropped whatever they were doing, grabbed their muskets, and ran several miles to engage the Brits.

44 posted on 12/05/2003 8:24:44 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: feinswinesuksass
There is trouble brewing....we have been likes frogs in a pot of warm water. The temperature is increasing daily & we either need to jump out of the pot or we'll get boiled alive.

"The Day" is definitely coming.

I look at the time between now and then as an opportunity to awaken more of the sheeple, and get prepared (physically, mentally, and 'hardware-wise') for what's likely coming.

But I still need to do a better job on all of the above.

45 posted on 12/05/2003 8:31:49 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: 45Auto
I don't know how long this nation can continue to call itself a Constitutional Republic

Not much longer.

It's already to the point of a partial police state.

46 posted on 12/05/2003 8:33:45 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: archy
There are those here at FR who consider such things on a airly regular basis, more and more recently, it seems. Care to join us?

It appears to be just a matter of time before things come to a head.

Most of the older guys still remember what Freedom is, but the younger generation views freedom as being able to choose between reruns of "Seinfeld" and "Friends".

If the tyrants are patient, they will prevail, but it will take them 20 or 30 years.

If they are not patient, we have a chance.

47 posted on 12/05/2003 8:36:41 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: All
I still say it was better that they didn't agree to hear it. We know that 3 Justices, Rehnquist, Thomas, and Scalia would be pro 2nd Amendment. Stevens, Souter, Breyer and Ginsburg obviously would vote the other way. I would bet that both groups were worried that Kennedy and O'Connor could go either way and didn't want to take such a risk

Maybe in the long run its a good thing. If Bush is reelected, there is a good chance that between 2 and 4 justices will retire or any could die. (No, I don't want them to die but given their ages and health problems, its always a possibility.) With the balance of the Court clearly to the right, that would be the time we would want a case like this heard. Do we really want another ruling based on E.U. law like Lawrence v. Texas was?

48 posted on 12/05/2003 8:40:34 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: river rat
It won't take many...to defeat the effeminate, anti violence, unarmed "peace worshiping" leftists...

That's a very good point.

On one side you have combat veterans, skilled recreational shooters, and rugged outdoorsmen. On the other side, you have a bunch of worthless lawyers, limp-wristed men who have never fired a weapon, and metrosexuals.

As for those who say 'they'll just send in the military after us', consider this:

Everyone in the military took and oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Most of them take it pretty seriously and would not engage in activity against the American people.

I believe you'll find the more "skilled" the soldier is (special forces, fighter pilot, senior tank mechanic, etc....) the more likely they are to support the Constitution.

49 posted on 12/05/2003 8:42:56 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Mulder
I believe you'll find the more "skilled" the soldier is (special forces, fighter pilot, senior tank mechanic, etc....) the more likely they are to support the Constitution.

Unfortunately, the Delta Force was used in the murder of the Davidians.

50 posted on 12/05/2003 9:36:06 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: archy
Thanks for the ping! Good read....
51 posted on 12/06/2003 5:59:46 AM PST by AK2KX
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To: coloradan
Unfortunately, the Delta Force was used in the murder of the Davidians.

They were lied to about the reason they were there. When they found that out, they got pissed and left, except for a couple of people that were responsible for the equipment the loaned out.

At least that's what I've heard.

52 posted on 12/06/2003 9:35:51 AM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: archy
There are those here at FR who consider such things on a airly regular basis, more and more recently, it seems. Care to join us?

I too think of the inpending ( and IMHO inevitable) cw 2 ... and yes I would like to join you

53 posted on 12/06/2003 10:43:04 AM PST by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: 45Auto
To quote John Singleton after the Simi Valley trial and aquital of LAPD officers in the Rodney King beating case; "You're standing on a powder keg."

And as stupid as the LA riots were after that, they did serve to get the blacks in LA what they wanted.

Violence works.
54 posted on 12/06/2003 11:19:24 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Moulan labe, my butt, I can't just wait for THEM to come after me. ><BCC>)
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To: feinswinesuksass
"Half of this country...want a free ride. The rest of us are victims of these society leeches. How many will fight when the time comes?"

I ask you; Will the ones that want the free ride fight for it? I think not. They won't even work for it. They will try to use the tax dollars of their enemy to hire fighters for them. These fighters they think they can hire are the same ones whose votes ALGORE tried to block from the 2000 presidential election. When it's appearant that the good citizens are fighting to restore their constitutional rights, I believe the men and women in our armed forces will side with the right.

I could be wrong, there's a 1st time for everything. ;^)
55 posted on 12/06/2003 11:34:38 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Moulan labe, my butt, I can't just wait for THEM to come after me. ><BCC>)
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To: Badray
I believe the exurpt you guys are talking about is taken a little out of context. I think the author is frustrated with the amount of effort that is spent to afford hedanistic liberty versus what we view as real liberty.
56 posted on 12/06/2003 2:14:06 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Molon labe, my butt, I can't just wait for THEM to come after me. ><BCC>)
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To: feinswinesuksass
I voted with my feet by moving to New Hampshire, and now I carry a sidearm openly.
57 posted on 12/06/2003 3:41:47 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Mulder
If the tyrants are patient, they will prevail, but it will take them 20 or 30 years.

If they are not patient, we have a chance.

The strategy first suggested on FR four years ago is to vote for Dean or Hillary. The idea being this will quicken the inevitable and we are better off dealing with it now than later. Sometimes I do feel that way. A week of giant give-aways and the biggest new entitlment in 50 years being put into place by "our side" encourages one to think it may not be such a bad idea.

58 posted on 12/07/2003 8:42:54 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Mulder
I look at the time between now and then as an opportunity to awaken more of the sheeple, and get prepared (physically, mentally, and 'hardware-wise') for what's likely coming.

Most of the sheeple will never be awakened - that's why they're sheeple to begin with. However, the more of them that see their friends and relatives armed - and not shooting up schools, etc., but being responsible members of society and responsible gun owners - the more that there will be a base of passive (but necessary) support (i.e. food, shelter, etc.) for those that may, someday, have to fight for our freedom while on the run.

As to the preparations, history records that in addition to being physically, mentally and "hardware wise" prepared, those who have succeeded in the freedom-fighter "game" have also had lots of supplies of all types squirreled away and have had targets identified in advance. It also has helped to have a large cadre of those who can teach - strategy, tactics and ideology - even if they cannot do because of age or physical infirmities.

59 posted on 12/07/2003 9:03:29 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Jack Black
The strategy first suggested on FR four years ago is to vote for Dean or Hillary. The idea being this will quicken the inevitable and we are better off dealing with it now than later.

Another way of looking at it is to see things as Churchill did. I don't have the exact quote at hand, but he strongly suggested using every means to fight the enemy short of actual conflict, while you are strong, so as to avoid a physical conflict when you are weak. I would suggest that this means fighting the anti-gun, anti-Constitution forces at every turn at the level of politics. Hastening the day of CW2 may decide the issue sooner, but it will also be lots bloodier. Given how the liberal Dems are moving further to the left of the American public, THEY may be the losers as more time passes. This issue is, of course, open to debate - and reasonable people of good will can disagree, even if they are on the same side.

That being said, it is still wise to be prepared in every way possible way for any possibility. Frankly, the better prepared our side is for any possibility, the less likely the other side is to force the issue.

60 posted on 12/07/2003 9:11:42 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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