[PhiKapMom]

Following will be the statements of the RATs which so far are 180 from President Bush's! Anyone that needs an additional reason to support President Bush over any DemocRAT -- here it is!

[proud American in Canada]

Thank you, PKM!

How refreshing... living from Canada, I am getting pretty tired of... oh well, you know.

Thanks for the post!

[shrinkermd]

The Judges are our new "philosopher kings" as described in Plato's works. A constitutional repupublic is no longer necessary with these elites governing our every move.

By the way, see below. Plato besides advocating an utopia based on rule by philosopher kings also had definite views on sexuality and other matters.

"Plato was born in Athens, Greece in 469 B.C. He was the student of Socrates. Plato founded a school that might be one of the world's first universities. The school was on the land of a prominent Greek known as Academus. This is where the term "academy" came from. Plato wrote about dialectic and Socrates' philosophy that encouraged people to examine their way of thinking and explore their ideas. Plato's works consist of a series of dialogues and discussions.

"While many men in Greek society practiced bisexuality by taking both a wife and a male lover, Plato is notable because he advanced the belief that some men are inherently homosexual, just as some men are inherently heterosexual. Plato believed that love between two men is superior to that between a man and a woman. Plato called this love "uranian" love and suggested this love was ruled by a different aspect of the goddess Aphrodite. At a time when male homosexual love was unequal between an older man and his student, Plato advocated for these relationships to become equal and based on reciprocity. Also, in contrast to Greek custom, he believed that these relationships should be life-long. To Plato, love is more than just the physical act, and the goal of love is the moral and intellectual improvement of the younger partner with the help of the older one. This is has come to be known as "platonic" love. Over time the term has become distanced from its roots, and is used to describe non-sexual love and friendship.

"In his Symposium, Plato suggests that mankind was originally made up of complete beings. Mankind originally had three genders that were a fusion of two human bodies. Some were male-male, some were female-female, and some were male-female. These beings were round, had two faces, had four arms, and reproduced asexually. These beings were complete, incredibly happy, and even arrogant. This angered the gods who were incredibly jealous. The gods split these beings in half, which is the present state of mankind. We all search for our other half in hopes of becoming whole again.

"In The Republic, Plato advances the idea of an army of male lovers that becomes the model for the Sacred Band of Thebes. He believed that an army of lovers would be stronger than an even an army made up of a family or tribe. Soldiers would have a vested interest in protecting their lovers, and in fighting so as not to lose face in the presences of their beloved.

So there you have it. In 2500 years we have come full circle. Perhaps the judges will now rule "tell, don't ask" as the norm for both the military and life.

[SamAdams76]

Gov. Mitt Romney (R) of Massachusetts basically stepped up to the microphones today and said the same thing as Bush.

[polemikos]

Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. Today's decision of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court violates this important principle. I will work with congressional leaders and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage.

Maybe, just maybe, it's not the end of days after all.

[RobertP]

I am still going ahead with my plans to build an Ark to be on the safe side. I just sent my wife out to gather up the animals, and I am going to Home Depot to get the lumber and nails.

[ohioWfan]

BUMP!!

Praise the LORD for this President!

[armadale]

sorry, but I don't understand the phrase "sanctity of marriage" when a couple such as Liza Minelli and David Gest will still be able to marry!

[Spunky]

"I will work with congressional leaders and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage."

I thank God that we have him as our President.

[armadale]

How many HETEROSEXUAL people today really think that Marriage is a sacred institution?

Newt Gingrich?

Let's stop throwing stones.

[Chad Fairbanks]

STATEMENT BY CHAD FAIRBANKS, SOME GUY.

"Democrats are great big doody-heads."

[spodefly]

I have some mixed emotions here.

As anyone that has read my posts here can see, I am about as right-wing as can be. I am not a "fiscal Conservative/social liberal" type at all. Conservative. Period.

But ... my aunt, who recently passed away, had lived with her partner for 40 years. I consider them both to be my aunts. They have never made any comments regarding their sexuality or any comments related to the homosexual agenda. They were obviously just 2 people that had a committed relationship that lasted longer than the vast majority of marriages. And I love them both equally. As repulsed as I am by homosexuality in general, I never once felt that when thinking about my aunts. Their relationship was as natural and mutually rewarding as any I have ever seen.

Because there are no provisions for accomodating same-sex union (in a legal sense) in NC, the estate of my aunt, which should rightfully transfer to my 'other aunt' in accordance with their lifelong committment, now gets to be eaten up by the state with the leftovers given to my 'other aunt' afterwards, and naturally, I am never happy about the state collecting some huge percentage of the product of someone's lifetime of work.

So ... I'm conflicted.

No way should 'Marriage' be between same sex partners ... that is not what marriage is intended to be, and it is not what it has been for several thousand years. But then what is the difference between 'same-sex' unions, and marriage if the legal aspects are exactly the same, as I believe they should be? Semantics? A distinction without a difference?

[steveegg]

Not only are the RATs 180 from President Bush and from America, but they're not even in the same solar system anymore.

[Toespi]

I say, let them have it, the "divorce" courts will be buried with "same" sex divorces and they will all be hysterical rantings of, generally speaking, unbalanced people. The courtrooms will be like a three-ring circus.

[steveegg]

Gephardt Statement on Massachusetts Court Decision on Gay Marriage

November 18, 2003 -

Washington, DC – "While I support civil unions for same-sex couples, I also support the right of states to make decisions regarding the protections afforded same-sex couples. I do not support gay marriage, but I hope the Massachusetts State Legislature will act in a manner that is consistent with today's Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruling.

"As we move forward, it is my hope that we don't get side-tracked by the right-wing into a debate over a phony constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. I strongly oppose such an effort as purely political and unnecessarily divisive at the expense of those who already suffer from discrimination."

Source - http://www.dickgephardt2004.com/plugin/template/gephardt/44/3231

[b4its2late]

The democrats are trying to destroy the America we know and love and instill their own perverted ideas on us and our children and we must not let them get away with it.

[freetradenotfree]

Watch what they Do,Not what they said

[af_vet_1981]

I will work with congressional leaders and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage.

It is necessary to impeach and remove judges to defend the sanctity of marriage. They will never stop unless they are stopped.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman.

Bump for GW!

[b9]

I feel a song comin' on ...

Oh, gays and marriage,
gays and marriage...
Don't go together...it's a base disparage.

Those knots we should not ..t.e.t.h.e.r....
Keep guy/gal marriage here ...
Just dudes/chicks...make it clear...
Let's k.e.e.p.. i.t ..s.t.r.a.i.g.h.t (not queer) ..F.O.R.E.E.E.E.V.E.R !!!!!

[Graymatter]

Couple (npi) of questions.

Say a 29-yr-old man wants to marry a 16-yr-old man. Does the young one need parent's permission? Whose last name do they use? After they get married, 16-er has a gradual change of proclivity and falls in love with a woman. Does he have to "divorce" his husband first? Can his husband charge him with adultery? If he goes to a state that doesn't recognize gay marriage, and he marries the woman there, is he a bigamist in his previous state of residence?

Can a woman take a wife in one state while being a man's wife in another? Who buries you when you're dead, unexpectedly? Which one is next of kin, your husband or your wife? If you are bisexual, do you have both gay rights and straight rights, or just one kind? Will married bisexuals have a right to gay civil union despite being married to the opposite gender?