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Statistical Comparison: doctors vs gun owners
email | 11/17/2003 | unknown

Posted on 11/17/2003 2:42:19 PM PST by LiteKeeper

Think about this:
A. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000.
B. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000. C. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
(US Dept. of Health &Human Services)

Then think about this:
A. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
B. The number of accidental gun deaths per year is 1,500.
C. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner 0.0000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.

As a public health measure, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doctors; guncontrol; lawyers
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1 posted on 11/17/2003 2:42:23 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
LOL
2 posted on 11/17/2003 2:45:48 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Using Occam's Razor to shave the hairy armpits of liberal feminists....)
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To: LiteKeeper
Doctors are too dangerous. Outlaw doctors. We have no choice.
3 posted on 11/17/2003 2:47:52 PM PST by concerned about politics ( So it is. Amen.)
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To: LiteKeeper
They'll get my doctor when they pry my Blue Cross card from my cold dead fingers. They can't have my guns even then.
4 posted on 11/17/2003 2:49:26 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: LiteKeeper
With all due respect, sir, this is a nonsensical comparison: "accidental" deaths are those that were avoidable but occurred as a result of bad judgement; they do not cause death but fail to prevent it. Someone with a an undetected flue dies from complications --- not by the hand of a doctor.

You should remove this thread: the post makes no sense.

5 posted on 11/17/2003 2:50:56 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark; LiteKeeper
This is an Urban Legend. Can the Ted Nuget e-mail be far behind?

    Medical Errors: Leading Cause of Death or Urban Legend?

    Medical errors do happen, but exaggerating the scope of the problem will impede efforts to address serious threats to the healthcare system.

    Thanks in part to the prevalence of e-mail and spam, we've all encountered urban legends. Whether it's that Nigerian official who needs to store $100 million in your bank account for a few days or a friend who passes on a warning about an imminent postal-service plan to tax e-mail, there is no dearth of people ready and willing to propagate unlikely myths.

    Somehow, despite their implausibility, these urban legends are passed around as truths by people too shocked to raise questions. In most cases, the implications are relatively harmless. But sometimes, the failure to critically examine assertions presented as facts can have serious consequences.

    One pertinent example for the medical device industry is the widely quoted statistic that medical error kills 100,000 people every year. Based on a report by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) released in 1999—which actually cited estimates of between 44,000 and 98,000 deaths a year caused by medical errors—this claim received extensive coverage in the news media.

    Much less attention was paid to a subsequent article, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) last July 25, which called into question the conclusions of the IOM report. According to authors Rodney Hayward and Timothy Hofer, the results of their study suggest that "these statistics are probably unreliable and have substantially different implications than have been implied in the media." Hayward has suggested that the number of deaths due to error is probably closer to between 5000 and 15,000 annually.

    The core argument of the JAMA article was not to reject absolutely the IOM estimate. Rather, it was to caution against accepting it as a factual statistic. As the authors found, opinions among the doctors reviewing the records that were examined varied considerably about whether a particular error led to a death, and even on whether an event was in fact an error. Moreover, previous studies had not considered whether the patient would have died regardless of the error.

    Unfortunately, the JAMA article appears to have had little moderating effect on the holding power of the IOM figure. The 100,000 number shows signs of having become another urban legend. More than a month after the JAMA article was published, for instance, a full-page ad published in The Wall Street Journal referred to the original estimate. "Medical error," said the ad, "ranks with cancer and highway accidents as a major killer in the United States."

    This may be good ad copy, but it's misleading rhetoric. To take up this debatable estimate as accepted fact is to misidentify the enemy. Yes, medical error is a problem. But if society exaggerates its scope, precious resources may be diverted away from other serious threats to the healthcare system.

    Obviously, medical errors do happen, and medical device malfunctions are sometimes contributing factors to such terrible mistakes. To the extent that the delivery of healthcare has been improved by the publicity over medical errors, it has been a good thing. But if too much emphasis is put on errors, it will end up hampering the efforts of the healthcare system and medical device companies to implement further improvements.

    The healthcare system is far from perfect, but it is hardly a threat comparable to cancer. Let's not try to fix what isn't broken.


6 posted on 11/17/2003 2:54:08 PM PST by TomB
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To: TopQuark
With all due respect, sir, this is a nonsensical comparison: "HUMOR" threads are those that are avoidable by those who do not wish to read them; they do not cause humorless people but fail to prevent them. Someone with no sense of humor gets upset over any humor --- not by the reading of a thread.

7 posted on 11/17/2003 2:56:47 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: TopQuark
Of course it's nonsensical; it's supposed to be.

One parodies the absurd, in this case the gross abuse of ''statistical analysis'' in the hands of the gun-grabbers, by being absurd, as both Rush Limbaugh and the late H. L. Mencken have observed on numerous occasions.

8 posted on 11/17/2003 2:57:41 PM PST by SAJ
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To: TopQuark
Lighten up a tad...this post is meant to make people think...not choke!
9 posted on 11/17/2003 2:58:49 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
Oh, I get it now: you really thought that this is worth more than a split-second thought. Please accept my apology.

I look forward to your future thought-provoking comparisons of guns and mushrooms, guns and baby food, guns and...

It'll be fun.

10 posted on 11/17/2003 3:02:22 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Is there a medical term for death caused when one's skin is too thin?

Jeepers.

11 posted on 11/17/2003 3:03:24 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: TopQuark
When you were a kid, did you sit in front of the TV on Saturday mornings, criticizing the cartoons derisively because, "there's just no way a coyote could make rocket skates in REAL life"?

Lighten up...it's funny.
12 posted on 11/17/2003 3:10:09 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Why do I carry a .45? Because they don't make a .46!)
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To: CholeraJoe
This poses quite the quandary...
13 posted on 11/17/2003 3:13:21 PM PST by secret garden (Football, hockey and basketball - my favorite season)
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To: secret garden
Doctors who own guns are safer than those who don't.
14 posted on 11/17/2003 3:15:49 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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To: TomB
American Iatrogenic Association. The post might be intended as "humorous", but there is a grain of truth in the humor.
15 posted on 11/17/2003 3:16:24 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: commish; TomB
Ignorance is American bliss, and I have sinned by disturbing it.

I made a mistake but stating that plain stupidity is not funny. As Tomb pointed out, this rape of statistics and frequent repetition of nonsense becomes truth in the minds of many --- call it urban legend, if you prefer. It is also costly: it attacks one of the great American institutions. Given that most of our great institutions are already dismantled, and healthcare and "corporations" are under current attack, I do not find it funny at all.

I make this "mistake" all the time: I find it pathetic rather than funny, for instance, that Jay Leno, a grey-haired old man, cannot get through a monologue without either a flatulence or penis joke (usually both) --- something that was never considered gunny beyond the junior high.

It is popular nowadays to confuse taste with the lack of humor. Make sure you do not suffer from such a confusion.

16 posted on 11/17/2003 3:16:34 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: All
For everyone saying it is meant as humor, I assure you that the 120,000 number quoted in the e-mail is taken as gospel by many around here. I have seen it mentioned in literally dozens of posts. Hence, my reply.

Then again, if it was meant as a joke, why is it in "News/Current Events", not "Humor"?

17 posted on 11/17/2003 3:18:30 PM PST by TomB
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To: LiteKeeper
When doctors are outlawed, only outlaws will have doctors.
18 posted on 11/17/2003 3:18:51 PM PST by Still Thinking
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To: Mr. Lucky
Is there a medical term for death caused when one's skin is too thin?

It's a good question. Whereas the factor of thin skin remains unresearched, we know with certainty hat no death has occured in this country due to thick brain.

19 posted on 11/17/2003 3:19:31 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
I beg to differ. Haven't you heard of the Darwin awards?
20 posted on 11/17/2003 3:25:44 PM PST by secret garden (Football, hockey and basketball - my favorite season)
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