[tpaine]

Perhaps if you and Betty reflected a bit deeper on Koestlers point, you would realize that it applies equally to those who are fanatically devoted to "Judeo/Christian values".

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Tribune7 wrote:
Interesting point Tom. Are you fanatically devoted to any values?

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None whos tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation.

Our constitution is not a suicide pact, for instance. We cannot ~insist~ that the rest of the world live by our values. In particular by those values as envisoned here by you theists. We can only insist that we be left alone to pursue individual liberty.

[Tribune7]

None whos tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation.

I can't say that my values are contrary to reason, either.

Concerning the "devoid of self-interest" and "detrimental to the claims of self-preservation" how long do you figure on preserving yourself?