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To: Coeur de Lion
Muslims, yes, Jews, no. Your position shows complete ignorance of history. Jews have never been into conversion of outsiders, either by the sword or otherwise. To convert a new jew must go through a rigorous course of study. To my knowledge this has always been the case. Plus we're not talking about just expulsion, we're talking about the Spanish Inquistion. And it wasn't what was depicted in Mel Brooks History of the World.

Before you make such statements, read your history. Maybe killing off and starving all none Aryans was a reasonable response to preserve the nation's identity in World War 2.
20 posted on 12/08/2003 9:52:10 PM PST by appeal2
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To: appeal2
You only see history from the western side of the iron curtain.
23 posted on 12/08/2003 10:17:34 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: appeal2
Get your history right. I made no statement regarding Jews converting others. If I had pointed out that only Christians possessed an animus regarding second class citizenship under the Moslem, I'm sure someone would've pointed that out. As for second class citizenship indeed Jews suffered it throughout Christendom as well as expulsion and pograms (e.g. see "God Jews and History" an excellent book).

As for your analogy to the Nazis and the Spanish Inquistion you're wrong! Converted Jews and Moors both experienced persecution and death under the Spanish Inquisition, because they were converts to Christianity, and accused of heresy. Those unwilling to convert were expelled. I'm not trying to be an apologist for the Spanish Inquisition here and I don't justify what happened either. The issue wasn't that they were persecuted or suffered death because they were Jews or Moors but because they had been accused of heresy, regarding the faith they were forced to adopt, right or wrong. The Nazis on the other token weren't attempting to gain Christian converts among the Jews. Being a Jew in itself was criminal and worthy in their eyes of justifying death.

26 posted on 12/09/2003 6:46:54 PM PST by Coeur de Lion
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To: appeal2
"Jews have never been into conversion of outsiders"

What a load of crap. Ever hear of the Edomites or of Harod the Idumanean.

33 posted on 12/12/2003 2:49:35 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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