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To: 45Auto
Those who would cut off their noses to spit their faces better do some re-examining of their own.

Not that any of the Lovers of Losers who would vote against Bush over this issue would have voted for him in any case.

Just another RATmedia manipulation of the brainless knee-jerkers who pretend they are conservatives, nothing to see here.
20 posted on 11/13/2003 1:00:16 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Just another RATmedia manipulation of the brainless knee-jerkers who pretend they are conservatives

Perhaps. The way I see it, if Bush totally abandons his core support, then he is not much better than the RAT-bastards who are running against him (and against America). If the AW ban is renewed or strenghthened, then I fear that it will only be a matter of time before the Republic is truly destroyed from within. Its about half way there now. The only difference between the two main parties will be the speed at which they are taking the Republic over the cliff and down into the pit of total socialism. No longer will the Repubos be able to fool the conservative core into believing that they are really different than the socialist-RATs; the facade will have been removed. The sunsetting (or not) of the ban will be a watershed moment for me. The President and the Repubos will have to make a choice.

While Bush may be re-elected by a wide margin and therefore will not need to rely on the conservative core, the question he has to ask himself is, "Do I feel Lucky?" I wonder what kind of a poker player the Pres. is?

39 posted on 11/13/2003 1:10:17 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Is it better to cut off my nose to spite my face, or vote for someone who will "only" take 1/8" off of it every 6 months or year or week? The "democrats", if left in or returned to power, would eventually outlaw not only the implements for but also the very right to self defense by any means just like it is in London and other enlightened centers of culture now. The question is whether the republicans are different in direction or just in speed.

At the moment, in terms of the old frog in the boiling pot metaphor, it looks like we have a choice of the pot's temp being increast 3 degrees a year or 5 degrees. The ultimate destination is identical, only the timing is different.

Bush has been head and shoulders above the shennanigans of Clinton and others we could name, but on many issues being merely head and shoulders higher than -him- still leaves one deeply buried in the muck and mire. Bush has done very well on some issues but on others he is still only better by comparison.

If the direction can not be changed, if the actual substance of regulations and weight of control can not be reversed, I refuse to be co-opted into deciding how hard to push the accelerator. There are several issues that are showstoppers for me. I refuse to choose the caliber of the bullet used in my execution. I will always vote for my freedom.

Warning: sick but disgustingly accurate analogy to follow:

This can be compared to a family caught in the bondage of incest. The helpless little child is forced to choose the form of her torment each night, not ever given the choice of freedom. The mental and even spiritual damage done to the child by the actual physical activities is often less than the destruction from activily participating in it by choosing the form of the torture.

Bush is not the abuser in the above word picture. He is just one of the least painful of the mostly terrible choices given us by the party politics that choose the presidential candidates for us. I would prefer Bush to many republicans and to any democrat that comes to mind. Of course. Now that we let "our" party get the patriot acts through because they were our guys so we could trust them with the power, we do not dare let the other guys in power because we have a fair idea what they will do with it. We would hand them the instruement of our destruction. Any law must not be judged by how it will be used by our friends, but by how it could be abused by our enemies.

However, unless you can convince me that Bush will actually increase freedom and not just slow the multiplication of regulations and compounding of governmental burdens, Unless you can show that Bush will be in favor of even less abortion and not stop with the PBA ban that may not even get enforced, unless you can show that knife, gun and other restrictions to self defense and community protection will actually decrease under his leadership, unless you can show that he is going in the opposite direction, not just letting off the gas toward socialism and decay and bloated government, I can not vote for him. Not this time.
114 posted on 11/13/2003 2:46:25 PM PST by Geritol (Lord willing, there will be a later...)
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