Air District Clarifies New Fireplace Rules- Rule Violators Could Be Fined (CA)

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[Age of Reason]

Take your malthusain whizdumb elsewhere.

But in an increasingly overcrowded America, you must learn to share your space with those having different ideas.

[KC_for_Freedom]

I for one, have no use for any land that has not the seacoast on one side and forests, meadows, and mountains on the other.

You have that in California, but you have to be very rich to fully enjoy it. (Buy on Stinson beach, beyond the gate for owners only..) We left CA after it became clear that we could not go to the coast from inland without spending several hours each way on the road. You are correct about too many people, correct that immigration contributes, but not correct that stopping immigration would in any wany open the roads to the coast. There are too many people like yourself who want this very limited resource.

Florida too, is rife with development on the coast, while inland land is plentiful, and yes they have enough orange groves too. However, to get to the beach via car, you have to spend hours driving and looking for a place to park (Sarasota).

I like the idea of a stable population, that will take reform of all our tax and financial institutions. (Everything today is based on growth.) I prefer a capitalistic approach to distribution of the resources. A way will be found. Regards, KC

[Age of Reason]

You have that in California, but you have to be very rich to fully enjoy it. (Buy on Stinson beach, beyond the gate for owners only..)

Too crowded at any price--too many other owners.

And then there's the surrounding area and the state--which because it is so populated will impose restrictions on freedom, which those Stinson beach owners will also suffer from.

not correct that stopping immigration would in any wany open the roads to the coast. There are too many people like yourself who want this very limited resource.

That's why we should stop immigration: adding more people doesn't improve things.

[Age of Reason]

The No. 1 question being asked about the "no burn nights" is who is exempt from the no burn rules.

I have an idea.

Best solution: stop population growth from immigration.

Fewer people = fewer homes = fewer fireplaces = less polution.

See? Simple. No need for pollution laws, polution police, polution taxes, Bureaus of Fireplace Inspection, Fireplace Police and Inspector Civil Service Exam Bureaus, etc.

But, if they continue the idiocy of flooding the country with immigrants, then leave existing homeowners alone.

Simply outlaw fireplaces in new construction.

[Age of Reason]

I suspect that the wealthy (and their bought and paid for media and political toadies) want to flood the country with as many people as possible precisely because it empowers the haves and weakens the have nots.

The wealthy want to create an oversupply of labor, to keep wages low.

They also see those added millions of people as added customers and added sources of tax revenue.

Immigration exists precisely to keep the average American down.

And the liberals, whom we might normally expect to be for the poor and for the working man, nonetheless went along with this on one condition: that immigration should also be used to "diversify" America, to break the political power of the Christian Right.

[Age of Reason]

Also, there's a movement afoot on behalf of the less wealthy to force the owners of private beachfront property to allow access to their backyards by the unwashed masses:

One angle lawyers have been pursuing is to argue that the boundry line of beachfront property ends at the high-tide mark, which would allow the unwashed masses to cavort in the mud flats at low tide right under your expensive rear windows.

Why, wealthy owners of shore property can then have a ringside seat to dune buggies and tatooed mutants parading through what the owners used to think was their own backyards.

Too many people, I tell you.

[KC_for_Freedom]

All your points are good ones, the wealthy want their low income maids and gardners, the liberals look on these immigratns for voting strength and a continued poor so they can raise the wage gap issue.

The GOP also likes immigrants because bringing in low paid programmers makes up for years of failure to develop high tech education and there is this last point, that the baby boom generation will bankrupt social security but loads of immigrants will ensure that there is a bunch of workers paying into the system while the boomers retire.

With these political issues, immigration gets no look as an issue. (ranking near the bottom of issues ranging from terror to jobs/economy).

The left sees this as their issue, claiming that only they can save the environment while the right sees quality of life issues in economic terms noting that wealthy communities have the nicer environments. We have gone around on this issue, and I agree that immigration should be stopped.

[cinFLA]

Great environmental plan. Natural air isn't clean.

It is worse when my neighbor across the street burn his fire when it is in the 60's and we have our windows open!

[cinFLA]

I also remember the steamy gray smoke everywhere. Beautiful. Falls not fall without it.

Beautiful when it is going straight up but ugly when it sweeps down into your house from the neighbor next door.

[Age of Reason]

I actually happened across a quote from around start of the industrial revolution.

The substance of that quote was that while it was cruel to starve workers, it was folly to let them get too fat, for then they lose their motivation to work hard.

So today "they" flood the nation with immigrants that the average worker won't get too prosperous and "lazy."

That is, workers can't be allowed to stop working when the workers are satisfied.

Rather, workers need to be manipulated so that their masters' limitless appetites for money can be constantly fed.

Have you noticed that it wasn't long after the slaves were freed that immigration to America was expanded? Free workers no longer had to compete with slave labor--the ruling class couldn't abide that!

So they flood the nation with immgrant workers to bring down the price of labor, to make the labor market an employer's market.

(I also suspect that they glad to import people like Italians and Irish and Chinese; because they probably believed such people could never be smart enough to become part of the ruling class. Well, that was one joke on them, anyway.)

[KC_for_Freedom]

The substance of that quote was that while it was cruel to starve workers, it was folly to let them get too fat, for then they lose their motivation to work hard.

What really costs workers their motivation is to take the results of their hard work in the form of taxes.

The immigration that is creating the "Alien Nation" that we have today is all documented as belonging to the aftermath of the great immigration act of 1965. Long after slavery was done in, but right about the time of the great society and the civil rights movement. Ted Kennedy is the author. Read about it in Peter Brimelow's book by the title above in quotes. Whatever you do, don't fall into the socialist trap of believing that the government has a solution to this problem of open space. (The government could solve immigration problems practically overnight but for the reasons we have mentioned, they are stalling. But they will solve the problem because they can't leave the door open with terrorism on the horizon and sneaking across the border with the undocumented workers.

[epow]

Reason #99,999 I'm glad I don't live in Kalifornia. Must be something in the water out there.

[Myrddin]

I marvel at the politicians passing laws against burning wood in a fireplace at the same time electricity and gas prices have been pushed so high by government mismanagement. I just spent a week in the rail yard around the Miller electric generating plant in Alabama. The coal trains arrive on a continuous basis at that plant. The plant burns over 1,000 pounds of coal PER SECOND. Currently, the fuel of choice is low sulfur coal from the Powder River area of Wyoming.

[Carry_Okie]

There is enough excess fuel in the 190 million acres of National Forest currently at risk of catastrophic fire to provide for the domestic electrical needs of 140 million Americans.

[Myrddin]

I for one, have no use for any land that has not the seacoast on one side and forests, meadows, and mountains on the other.

I'm a California native. I lived there for nearly 40 years. It's too crowded. My house was only 5 miles from the beach, yet I rarely bothered going. I can recall attending a total of 10 activities on the beach in my lifetime. More severely ingrained is years of sitting in traffic for 40 to 70 minutes in a 7 mile commute to work. That's 40 to 70 minutes EACH WAY. Screw that. I live in Idaho now. No traffic. My "commute" is a 30 foot walk from my bedroom to my office. I drive less than 1,000 miles per year compared to over 1,000 miles per month when I lived in San Diego. My wood burning stove keeps the house nice and comfortable. Neighbors still burn leaves in the Fall. The streets are uncrowded. The snow covered mountains are a 10 minute drive away.

There are plenty of forests, meadows and mountains here. If I'm really hot for some water, the lakes and rivers are just fine. The locals are happy to water ski and jet ski on the local lakes and reservoirs. When the snow arrives, they bring out the snow mobiles, alpine skis and cross country skis. Take a drive from San Diego to Pocatello on I-15. You'll change your mind about "crowding". It's only the people who insist on piling on top of each other in coastal areas who believe things are crowded.

[Myrddin]

There is enough excess fuel in the 190 million acres of National Forest currently at risk of catastrophic fire to provide for the domestic electrical needs of 140 million Americans.

I agree completely. I made 4 trips to Yellowstone in August and September this year. My digital camera was busy collecting great pics of the geological activity. I took few pictures of the mountains. They are just plain ugly. The massive amounts of dead wood in Yellowstone needs to be culled before another big fire wipes it out again. The bark beetles are killing off large numbers of trees. The killed trees become standing pieces of bone dry tinder.

[Carry_Okie]

You mean like this?

This is the Rodeo/Chediski Fire

BTW, that number on fuel for electrical power was on a continuous basis.

[Carry_Okie]

Sorry, wrong url, I meant this:

Both photos of the fire were taken the same day at the same fire. The difference is that the Apache log and graze their land.