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Newspapers Online: Why Information Will No Longer Be Free
The Columbia Journalism Review ^ | January/February 2003 | Michael Scherer

Posted on 11/09/2003 7:48:17 PM PST by quidnunc

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To: quidnunc
Secure and anonymous P2P is very slow and frustrating if you are trying to access 700mb divx movie files or even 3.5mb mp3 music files.
BUT secure P2P can handle text files (txt can be compressed enormously) with ease! NO long delays, no chance of anyone being able to figure out what you are reading, who the hell you are, what you just copied and posted onto the system...etc (dial-up modems would be speedy enough)

I predict the future of news sites (especially sites like FR) will be secure P2P apps.... just imagine a news app sort of like Freenet...except that it is speedy :-)

Just imagine... nobody being able to keep us from posting the crap from the L.A. Times... we could make fun of their propaganda while sitting behind a wall of encryption.

The P2P app would be controlled by mysterious secret moderators who somehow just happened to have the magic
private keys that will give them the reins... they would use this power to do exactly what the moderators on FR do now.

Someday we will be using just such a system... They will sue websites like FR into bancruptcy.... but you can't bankrupt a freeware P2P app :-)
41 posted on 11/10/2003 12:29:39 AM PST by Bobalu (RIAA Headquarters: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: quidnunc
Too bad.... I ALREADY learn more about stuff BEFORE I 'pay for', and read, the LOCAL morning paper.
If the ADVERTISERS were charged just a bit more, the 'paper' I read now would be FREE, just like my local TV.


Why is my DAILY only 50 cents and SUNDAY a $1.75?

Because it WEIGHS 5 times as much?

42 posted on 11/10/2003 5:07:01 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Knitebane
The general whine from a lot of industries impacted by the Internet seems to be, "But we can't make money like we always have!!! Somebody do something!! Pass a law or something!"

Well, too bad. There aren't a lot of professional candle makers, or whale oil sellers or buggy whip manufacturers anymore, but that's just the way it goes. Adapt, find a new revenue model, or go under.


Absolutely right!!!
(Now go post this over at DU!)
44 posted on 11/10/2003 5:10:24 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: GeronL
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45 posted on 11/10/2003 5:21:09 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: quidnunc
Thanks for sharing the article. It's interesting, but seems to harp on the problem with no serious thought given toward solutions. A couple of salient points:

At stake is nothing less than the future of print journalism. Several recent studies suggest that print readers are turning to the Web for news.

Very true. However, that suggests a change in the journalism industry to adapt itself to a new medium. They haven't really done much of that yet. No idea how it will come out in the end, but slapping a format invented for ink and paper to the web is clearly an awkward fit - at least when it comes to making any money on it. Answers that suggest we can simply stop the internet are foolish.

By many accounts, roughly nine of ten Web readers are averse to paying for online news. ...
"Maybe information wants to be free," quips The Albuquerque Journal's online editor, Donn Friedman, who limits online news to subscribing readers. "But I want to be paid."

A classic problem of a product being over-priced in the marketplace. There are price pressures here beyond the old ones, and this article totally ignores them. There are new media types who are perfectly willing to give their writing away, and they're not affiliated with any newspaper or publishing house that prevents it. There are new sorts of Web "newspapers" (for lack of a better term) like Drudge and Instapundit who seek out all sorts of good free reporting from around the world, and provide links to anyone who visits. And, of course, the more risk-taking old media are occasionally finding new ways to make their web experience profitable.

I have no idea how good a writer or editor Donn Friedman is (though I'd edit that second "N" out of his first name if I were him), but in a sense he's facing the same sort of journalistic problem I'm facing in the IT workplace - globalism. On the Web, he's not just competing with other newspapers in the Albuquerque market. He's competing with all other journalists and editors in the world. Scary stuff. Great opportunity awaits, but things are certainly going to shake around a bit before we truly understand what that means to the old way of doing business.

46 posted on 11/10/2003 6:03:36 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: gcruse
Then they will stop promulgating it and we will go back to...what? There is no right to free news.

I completely agree with you. We should make sure that America's poor have free access to the Internet, but that the the price of information is too high for the poor to access it. That'll keep them down on the Plantation.

LOL! Talk about Total Hypocrisy on the part of the Left! ;-)

47 posted on 11/10/2003 10:42:48 AM PST by an amused spectator (How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, once they been to the Internet?)
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To: an amused spectator
So, if I understand what you are saying, those who gather, report, and diseminate the news have no right to be paid for their labor. Is that it?
48 posted on 11/10/2003 10:45:26 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
My, our chip is showing today, isn't it? ;-)

Did you think that I invented the term "digital divide" and wrote all those articles crying about the lack of access to the Net for "the underprivileged"?

I merely point out the consequence of charging for "news access" - you effectively slam the information door in the face of the poor. Sounds like something an elitist out of CJR would be in favor of. After all, we cain't have 'em thinkin' fer themselves, kin we? :-)

49 posted on 11/10/2003 11:02:26 AM PST by an amused spectator (How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, once they been to the Internet?)
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To: quidnunc
I find it is best to post an article in its entirety for the following reason. I posted an article the other day. A few moments later, when I clicked on my own link, I found that not only had the title changed, but the original article had 7 paragraphs added to it, and the picture had changed.
50 posted on 11/10/2003 11:04:30 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: an amused spectator
I merely point out the consequence of charging for "news access" -
 you effectively slam the information door in the face of the poor


This is an argument for the socialization of news, on the face of it.
51 posted on 11/10/2003 11:10:29 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
Ah - so you DO think that I invented the term "digital divide" and wrote all those articles crying about the lack of access to the Net for "the underprivileged".

I believe Michael Scherer and most of the liberal socialists at the major newspapers make it a habit to argue most eloquently "for the socialization of news", when they're not busy trying to figure out how to remain America's self-chosen information gatekeepers, and keep the paycheck coming in.

You keep trying to throw that bucket of "socialist" paint on me, but I'm not there when it splashs. :-)

52 posted on 11/10/2003 11:18:00 AM PST by an amused spectator (How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, once they been to the Internet?)
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To: McGavin999
I don't mind paying for something like the Wall Street Journal, but I won't pay a penny for the LAT or the NYT.

Anybody who pays a dime for some of those papers should get eleven cents change.

53 posted on 11/10/2003 12:14:15 PM PST by steve-b
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To: GatekeeperBookman
Well, I guess you could look at it that way, but you would be incorrect.

There are also pass along copies measured by independent firms. The total readers of a large newspaper like USA Today is about 5 million or so readers.

Newspapers know what their demographics are. As you are aware, advertisers only use advertising vehicles that match their needs. BMW does not advertise in a newspaper in which the readers have little discretionary income.

A color ad in USA Today is much more expensive than any popdown ad in cyberspace.....tons more expensive because the advertiser values the newspaper reader much much more than the cyberreader for many many reasons.

54 posted on 11/10/2003 2:44:31 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Elsie
The newspapers are essentially free to distributors. The price you pay is usually kept by the owner of the route as his pay for delivery. Home delivery or store delivery routes are considered property and sold by the newspapers corp.

So this entire article is as much hooey as everything else in the liberal mecca of journalism.
55 posted on 11/10/2003 2:54:33 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
you were hacked??
56 posted on 11/10/2003 7:42:30 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: quidnunc; Temple Owl
Posted in its entirety.

LOL

The biggest cost in publishing a newspaper are newsprint and distribution. Just something to ponder.

57 posted on 11/10/2003 7:46:05 PM PST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: Elsie
No. The site itself changed the article, as well as the title and picture.
58 posted on 11/10/2003 8:05:59 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
OH!

Tricky stuff!

I guess there was editorial second thoughts.......
59 posted on 11/11/2003 4:36:31 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Tribune7
Print journalism is on its last legs. It could last a bit longer if the news were presented in a fair and balanced way, but that is not about to happen. The liberal, left-wingers, in power, will ride that dying horse to its grave.
60 posted on 11/11/2003 8:52:02 AM PST by Temple Owl
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