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To: Non-Sequitur
Nothing has been presented to indicate that the Davis regime actively tried to get a supreme court seated.

Yes it has. Two things, actually. First is the fact that Davis in the plainest of English asked Congress to do so. Second is the fact that Secretary of State Judah Benjamin, who was undoubtedly part of what you call the "Davis regime," was publicly reported to have been lobbying congress for the establishment of a court.

He made one comment in one speech.

And that speech was his STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS where he put forth his top legislative priorities for the year. He only gave one other state of the union address after the 1862 one, so its lack of mention of a court does not prove your allegation.

He never addressed the matter again in any correspondence to the congress

Evidence?

never fought for it

Evidence?

never actively lobbied for it.

He apparently sent Judah Benjamin to lobby for it. Just the same, George W. Bush recently gave a public speech calling for $87 billion in Iraq but I don't recall him ever going over to capitol hill to lobby for that bill. Instead he sent Rumsfeld and the other DoD people to do that. Does that mean Bush was unsupportive of his own Iraq appropriations bill?

It's OK with me if you sothron types want to blame the whole thing on the confederate congress.

It is no matter of blame, Non-Seq. It is a matter of historical accuracy. The Congress, and specifically the senate, blocked Davis' court bill in order to restrain his power. As the Wigfall resolution I just posted to you indicates, a certain faction of the Senate strongly believed that the STATE supreme court systems were of equal standing to any federal branch and they were perfectly content to prevent a stronger Davis-appointed competitor from arising. You may not like that fact and it certainly complicates your simpletonian and conspiracy-minded portrayal of the court issue as a nefarious behind-closed-doors nighttime plot between Jefferson Davis and a scheming secretive majority in Congress who nevertheless put on a facade of opposition during the day. But it is history and history doesn't alter itself to accomodate tu quoque boy every time he concocts a new twist or turn to the same old fraudulent and kooky conspiracy theory he's been pushing for years.

789 posted on 11/23/2003 1:58:48 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist; Non-Sequitur
Apparently at least one version of the bill to organize the Supreme Court passed the Senate. From: Senate passes S.3

The Senate have passed a bill (S. 3) to organize the Supreme Court of the Confederate States;

In which I am directed to ask the concurrence of this House.

Further efforts apparently hung up in the House. As I posted before (#674) May 26, 1864: Mr. Russell, from the same committee [Judiciary, House], to whom had been referred a bill (H. R. 35) "to organize the Supreme Court of the Confederate States," reported back the same with the recommendation that it do not pass.

790 posted on 11/23/2003 2:17:08 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: GOPcapitalist
Yes it has. Two things, actually. First is the fact that Davis in the plainest of English asked Congress to do so.

Mentioned once in passing in one speech. And never mentioned again in any future message to congress. Some fight.

Second is the fact that Secretary of State Judah Benjamin, who was undoubtedly part of what you call the "Davis regime," was publicly reported to have been lobbying congress for the establishment of a court.

And yet the journals of the confederate congress makes no mention of any message from Mr. Benjamin or any tirade from Mr. Foote on or around the date in question. You are, once again, expecting us to accept on faith that something means what it means because you say it does.

And that speech was his STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS where he put forth his top legislative priorities for the year.

And in his STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS in 1863 and 1864 and 1865, and in every message to the congress in between, the supreme court went unmentioned. Why was it no longer a legislative priority if he really wanted one? How could it be a legislative priority if he never once mentioned it in any message to congress ever again?

798 posted on 11/24/2003 4:31:35 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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