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To: Non-Sequitur
Nothing in the original agreement allowed South Carolina to legally take posession of Sumter without the agreement of both parties.

The 1805 law governing Moultrie, Johnson, and Pinckney did. With Sumter, the principle of unilateral action applies. SC unilaterally ceded Fort Sumter and therefore could also unilaterally withdraw it.

And made no move towards the harbor until daylight.

They were awaiting the Powhatan, which never showed due to the bungling of the Lincoln admin.

Leaving aside for the moment that I am expecting access to my property, nobody showed up on anyones door at 2 AM.

Yes they did. The ships assembled sometime around midnight and made their first action, the Harriet Lane's infamous shot, shortly thereafter.

The resupply attempt started in daylight.

Impossible. The resupply never happened because it was preempted.

Ridiculous. In one letter you have the vow that no reinforcements will be landed unless the resupply is opposed.

False. The phrase "unless the resupply is opposed" is an active statement. It indicates directly that the consequence of opposing the resupply will be to throw in men. Lincoln intentionally used a passive statement, "if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in men, arms, or ammunition will be made." THis leaves open the possibility that men will be thrown in but does NOT state it to be a certain an immediate consequence of opposing entry. Language is key, and as always you are tripping all over it.

357 posted on 11/11/2003 8:49:03 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
The 1805 law governing Moultrie, Johnson, and Pinckney did.

The 1836 state law transferring ownership did not.

Impossible. The resupply never happened because it was preempted.

A fact that became clear to the ships once they approached Sumter in daylight.

False.

Nonsense. In both cases the instructions were clear. The primary purpose was a peaceful landing of supplies only, with no force to be used and no men or munitions to be landed unless the resupply was opposed.

363 posted on 11/11/2003 10:04:19 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist; Non-Sequitur
They were awaiting the Powhatan, which never showed due to the bungling of the Lincoln admin.

True, but that is not the only thing that didn't show. Three tugs had also been obtained by Gustavus Fox -- they were to run supplies in to the fort while the warships were blasting the way in. One of the tugs took refuge in Wilmington, NC from the heavy storm that strung the fleet out during the passage south. Another overshot Charleston and ended up in Savannah. The third never left New York because of some concerns of the owner.

Additionally, I see where the Star of the West scrapped her bottom on the Charleston bar several times as she fled from the harbor in early January. I wonder what would have happened if she had gotten stuck on the bar.

369 posted on 11/11/2003 10:47:26 AM PST by rustbucket
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