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Personal Archives | 11-06-03 | PsyOp

Posted on 11/06/2003 6:19:06 PM PST by PsyOp

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To: PsyOp
The article was not an attempt to say that you were wrong, but to show that the Nazi's, in fact, took the Weimar laws further. If the quote is bogus, then I want to know. Thank you for pointing out a source for your assertion.

Note, though, that those attempting to consider some of those reported Hitler quotes in the original sources named were stymied by a lack of copies of origuinal material, many publishers and libraries collections having been destroyed during the war; particularly by aerial bombing.

In attempting to locate alternate reports of some of those quotations from N.S.D.A.P. party leader Hitler, the obvious source to try would seem to be the official N.S.D.A.P. newspaper, the Volkischer Beobachter, which would have been the medium most likely to have carried the text of Hitler's speeches, somtimes long-winded and borin, in full, if perhaps not on the exact same date as that given for when such quotes occurred in other newspapers, but at least closely so.

That the Volkischer Beobachter in its many editions has not also been so considered as a possible location for verification of Hitler's reputed words suggests to me that there are those on either side of the question afraid of that which they might find.

41 posted on 11/07/2003 12:04:06 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: gatex
Not true.

This has been debunked numerous times on FR.

Not fully nor authoritatively so. See #30.

-archy-/-

42 posted on 11/07/2003 12:05:45 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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Oh, MAN! Bookmarking this thread!
43 posted on 11/07/2003 12:14:13 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: PsyOp
Nice work, PsyOp. Back to you in 2 or 3 months after I've had a chance to read it ... ;-}
44 posted on 11/07/2003 5:29:22 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: autoresponder; *bang_list; yall

45 posted on 11/07/2003 6:39:39 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Kay Soze
Posted by Kay Soze to CHICAGOFARMER
Sorry guys but the Supreme Court has made several decisions based on the Constitutions of other nations.

NOW IS THE TIME TO FIND OUT WHERE THE SUPREMES STAND ON THIS ONE.

These unchallenged acts rendered our Constitution null and void.

SEE ABOVE

The 2nd and any other, if they conflict with other nations constitutions, will be rendered null and void.

WE NEED TO KNOW NOW NOT LATER.


Your attempting to draw rights from a constitution of a nation that no longer exists.

THIS IS JUST THE START OF THE SECOND REVOLUTION.

The USA is every bit a part of the past as say the USSR, Yugoslavia or the Austro-Hungarian empire.

WELL WE KNOW WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE YOU ARE ON! YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION.


46 posted on 11/07/2003 7:46:46 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: Maelstrom
Suddenly the felony rate of CCW people shows that gun owners are *less* likely to commit *any* felony than non-gun owners.

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Not suddenly. It always has been that way. Be sure to post your new data.
47 posted on 11/07/2003 7:48:40 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: archy
thank you for your additions.
48 posted on 11/07/2003 7:58:40 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: PsyOp
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Second, Amendment, contains, only, a single, comma.

--Boris

49 posted on 11/07/2003 8:24:50 AM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER; Joe Brower
thank you for your additions.

You're welcome. I didn't note them in with the others, and thought they might be suitable for the discussion. I may have a few others worth additional consideration as well.

This one's bookmarked; it's a keeper.

50 posted on 11/07/2003 8:56:51 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
This one's bookmarked; it's a keeper.

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better to cut and paste to MS word for file save.

these links are scrubed after time.

51 posted on 11/07/2003 9:03:09 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: archy
"Not true.
" This has been debunked numerous times on FR.
" Not fully nor authoritatively so. See #30.(sic, #40)"...

What about post 35, quoting PsyOp's post that the Nazi's did not pass any gun laws until 1938 --- they used the Wiemar Republic gun laws.

The 1928 Law on Firearms and Ammunition required a permit to receive or transfer firearms or ammunition.(did not apply at approved shooting range for use only at shooting range.).

52 posted on 11/07/2003 9:06:40 AM PST by gatex
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To: PsyOp
And there is this one by Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, Vol III, #1901:

"What is to become of constitutions of government, if they are to rest, not upon the plain import of their words, but upon conjectural enlargements and restrictions, to suit the temporary passions and interests of the day? Let us never forget, that our constitutions of government are solemn instruments, addressed to the common sense of the people and designed to fix, and perpetuate their rights and their liberties. They are not to be frittered away to please the demagogues of the day. They are not to be violated to gratify the ambition of political leaders. They are to speak in the same voice now, and for ever. They are of no man's private interpretation. They are ordained by the will of the people; and can be changed only by the sovereign command of the people."

53 posted on 11/07/2003 9:21:32 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
And, of course, there is this one by Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, Vol III, #1907:

"If these Commentaries shall but inspire in the rising generation a more ardent love of their country, an unquenchable thirst for liberty, and a profound reverence for the constitution and the Union, then they will have accomplished all, that their author ought to desire. Let the American youth never forget, that they possess a noble inheritance, bought by the toils, and sufferings, and blood of their ancestors; and capable, if wisely improved, and faithfully guarded, of transmitting to their latest posterity all the substantial blessings of fife, the peaceful enjoyment of liberty, property, religion, and independence. The structure has been erected by architects of consummate skill and fidelity; its foundations are solid; its compartments are beautiful, as well as useful; its arrangements are full of wisdom and order; and its defences are impregnable from without. It has been reared for immortality, if the work of man may justly aspire to such a title. It may, nevertheless, perish in an hour by the folly, or corruption, or negligence of its only keepers, THE PEOPLE. Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because they flatter the people, in order to betray them."

54 posted on 11/07/2003 9:30:18 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: archy
Note, though, that those attempting to consider some of those reported Hitler quotes in the original sources named were stymied by a lack of copies of origuinal material, many publishers and libraries collections having been destroyed during the war; particularly by aerial bombing.

Correct. The fact is that the legitimacy of the quote is still in question. It really cannot be proved either way (though I have to lean towards it not being true at this point). However, when viewed in the totality of what Hitler is known to have said from works like Mien Kampf at one end, his speeches in the center, and from the diaries of Geobles and Speer, it certainly expresses sentiments he felt and expressed elsewhere in different ways.

55 posted on 11/07/2003 9:37:40 AM PST by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Sheila Kuehl

It amazes me that people can be that stupid. McKlintock's address on the subject was brilliant. I would have quoted more of it, but the style was not conducive to brief quotes. If you have a link to the online version, you might want to plug it in.

56 posted on 11/07/2003 9:46:43 AM PST by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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To: PsyOp
See post #6

For one of the best modern speeches on Freedom and Firearms ever given, go here:

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/article_detail.asp?PID=189
57 posted on 11/07/2003 9:48:34 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: Kay Soze
Your attempting to draw rights from a constitution of a nation that no longer exists.

I beg to differ. As long as I have a gun and the willingness to defend the Constituion, the nation still exists. I am not willing to give up quite yet. The damage to the Constitution is not yet irreversible.

58 posted on 11/07/2003 9:53:25 AM PST by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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To: PhilipFreneau
this one by Joseph Story

Thanks for those.

59 posted on 11/07/2003 9:58:39 AM PST by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
better to cut and paste to MS word for file save. These links are scrubed after time.

Good advice. I will say, however, that I've been posting these types of threads for some time and have had yet to see one scrubbed. So the moderators probably see enough value in these compilations to keep them on the server. Plus, if people keep adding to it, it can help to keep them up.

60 posted on 11/07/2003 10:02:00 AM PST by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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