[Carry_Okie]

Tom Bonnickson is America's foremost authority on the pre-Columbian state of North American forests. His book, America’s Ancient Forests: from the Ice Age to the Age of Discovery, is an outstanding scholarly work.

They were warned. There will be more cases like it. Especially because Arnold has thrown in with exactly the same policy that led to this disaster, only he's doing it over the ENTIRE SIERRA NEVADA MOUNTAIN RANGE. Arnold's choice to retain Gray Davis' last minute Water Quality Control Board appointments will be instrumental in perpetuating this kind of destructive forest policy.

This policy destroys homes and forests. It will do NOTHING to help forests recover, quite the contrary. The usual result of this kind of policy is pestilence, weed infestations the like of which we have never seen and from which our forests may never recover. A lot of people may argue that I haven't given Arnold a fair shake. Well, I'll tell you, by advocating adoption of the Sierra Nevada Framework, he isn't giving a fair shake to the people who have the tools and knowledge to fix this mess. He discounts their professional care and concern for forest health. He follows a stupid and destructive policy that enriches a very few real estate and timber speculators, and Eastern investors who are using environmental law to gain control of water resources. They need the TMDL gambit, the origins of which are detailed in Part V of my book to get it done. They are out to destroy much of California's largest industry, agriculture, to turn it into houses and cash in on competing investments outside the country.

If you think OPEC was bad news, wait until we have to fight to secure a supply of food. This nation is already a net food importer. Anybody who thinks that this kind of policy will be good for the California's economy is in for a rude shock.

The same crowd that gave us the power crisis is behind this, the Natural Resources Defense Council, from which, the executive director is a co-founder of the New York League of Conservation Voters, along with Arnold's principle author of Arnold's environmental plan, RFKJr.

I honestly don't think Arnold understands all this. I don't think he's a corrupt or destructive person. I do think he's fallen in with the wrong crowd and they are using him. If he ever figures it out, he'll be really pissed.

The problem is getting to him. You should see the coterie of handlers wherever he goes. It's going to be tough breaking through to get him educated, but it must be done.

[Carry_Okie]

Enviroping.

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[not_apathetic_anymore]

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[CounterCounterCulture]

They were warned.

Exactly. When will they learn?

[Carry_Okie]

For insight on what a snafu a Forest Service fire operation is these days, consider the Winter Fire.

[Askel5]

I think wrongheaded "environmentalism" is generally a crisis in the making of one sort or another.

I know all of this must be extraordinarily frustrating for you. The destruction of human lives is tragic.

Thanks for the flag, Carry_Okie.

[pointsal]

ping..... may the greenies read this in triplicate.

[tubebender]

The new Water Quality regs will be the end of PL and the beggining of the end of Simpson Timber in Humboldt County. The Forest Service has very few logging plans in the works so there are no small sawmills running except Schmidbaurer and he is barging logs into Humboldt Bay as is Emersons Sierra Pacific...

[BenLurkin]

Bark Beetle Bump.

[Cate]

After living through a terrible fire season in Montana, my conclusion is that the loggers have the solution alot more than the environmentalists. If we do not manually clean up the forests, the environment is going to do it for us and peoples homes are going with it. If a logging company comes to my door asking for donations, they will have it. The environmentalists can eat my leaves.

[TASMANIANRED]

I have a question? Surely there are some legal eagles on this site that would have an opinion.

What is the problem with returning fire and holding these enviro nuts accountable. If fuel load = hotter , bigger fires then, Why not sue the Sierra Club and many of these other groups for the cost of these wild fires.
They are the ones advocating, and litigating the policies that increase fuel load.

[Grampa Dave]

A superb post and incredible re the timing.

[bjcintennessee]

ping

[kidd]

Great article. Thanks for the ping.

The Sierra Club's forest management policy has proven itself wrong time and time again, yet they continue to push it unapologetically.

They simply want man to butt out. By making forested areas a risky place to build a home, they hope to keep forests free of people.

[The KG9 Kid]

Bump; Read.

[Mamzelle]

re: Our national forests are growing older and thicker, some reaching astronomical densities of 2,000 trees per acre where 40-50 trees per acre would be natural. )))

What a meaningless and absurd statement!! What does he mean by "tree"--a seedling, sapling, or a mature 40-yr-old? A section with 2000 trees may well be the first growth after clear-cutting.

Another acadolt.

What's dangerous now is the litter left over from the pinebark beetle catastrophe. Masses of fuel lying around the forest floor--that's what needs to be moved/destroyed.

[Gritty]

Interesting article.

We know how we got into this fix: forest management stalled because environmental activists, government officials, and politicians engaged in endless debates on how to look after our forests. Central to the debate is that environmentalists want thick forests. They lobbied for years to convert forests to old growth, which they define as dense, multi-layered, and filled with dead trees and logs.

BTTT

[Copernicus]

I am surprised you have not posted this to your links page.

It is very relevant right now in 2007.

Best regards,

[Carry_Okie]

I suggest you review this entire thread because it contains a range of professional opinions you might find enlightening.

IMO, Hunter's people should read it.

[VOA]

DR. THOMAS M. BONNICKSEN

PROFESSOR
DEPARTMENT OF FOREST SCIENCE
TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY

I'm modestly sure this is the forestry expert I heard in Los
Angeles on talk radio (one of the Salem stations, KKLA or KRLA)
a few years ago.

This was during the firestorms east of Los Angeles...
the same ones that the former "Mr. KABC" on KABC radio in Los
Angeles had been predicting for a few years due to the lack of
clearing out of dead trees.

When Prof. Bonnicksen was asked how he felt about how well the
guvmint had taken his warnings years earlier...
the good Professor gave one of the deepest sighs of frustration
mixed with exhaustion that I've heard in listening to talk radio
for about two decades.