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Terry Schiavo Executive Order
Governor's Office (email) | Oct 21, 2003 | Gov. Jeb Bush

Posted on 10/21/2003 4:32:56 PM PDT by beckett

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To: Jeff Head
Me too, just came from there. :) Have a good night!
201 posted on 10/21/2003 7:21:38 PM PDT by agrace
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To: ShandaLear
Judge Greer has not obeyed the law. If Judge Greer wrote an order that Michael Moore should be shot, would you want the governor to just let it happen?

Yes.

Okay, bad example. Suppose it were a Freeper. What then?

202 posted on 10/21/2003 7:28:20 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"Being a spouse and an adult is apparently meaningless now, at least in Florida."

I don't think that has anything to do with this case. Terri's husband appears to have another agenda than actually taking care of his wife. Whether he actually was the cause of why she is where she is I don't know; but I do think his actions are suspicious and should possibly looked into.

203 posted on 10/21/2003 7:33:59 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I also think this could have been what we call a "kangaroo court" where Terri's side was not considered at all.
204 posted on 10/21/2003 7:36:25 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: supercat
I heard on the news yesterday that Terri's husband had ordered immediate cremation upon her death. That, combined with the fact that he denied Terri last rites and denied her parents the opportunity to say goodbye is particularly chilling. As for his current woman, how dumb can she be to want to marry a man that cruel and evil? What is Michael Schiavo hiding anyhow?
205 posted on 10/21/2003 8:37:05 PM PDT by wontbackdown
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To: freekitty
I also think this could have been what we call a "kangaroo court" where Terri's side was not considered at all.

Literally, since Greer refused to appoint a guardian ad litem.

206 posted on 10/21/2003 8:41:29 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: wontbackdown
What is Michael Schiavo hiding anyhow?

Well, if there were any funny business in the management of his wife's trust fund... which would be exposed if a new guardian or guardian ad litem were ever appointed for Terri... then Terri's death would be the only way to keep that under wraps.

Since Michael had already made at least one clear and unambigious attempt on her life, and several other likely attempts, even before this last nearly-successful attempt an investigation of the books could have set him up with an attempted murder rap.

207 posted on 10/21/2003 8:44:40 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
Is such fluid draining a procedure which will never, under any circumstance, cause harm to a person? If not, it would seem that the governor would be called upon to make a medical decision.

I believe the question was should a governor stop the painful death of the hypothetical woman due to fluid buildup. If she is going to die a painful death without the draining procedure, how much more harm than that could be caused by the procedure? At least there would be some hope if the procedure was carried out, without the draining there would be no hope.

208 posted on 10/21/2003 10:06:43 PM PDT by epow
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Being a spouse and an adult is apparently meaningless now, at least in Florida.

No, just being a greedy, money-grubbing, adulterous, scumbag spouse who values money more than human life is not as potentially profitable as it was yesterday at this time. At least not in FL.

209 posted on 10/21/2003 10:14:25 PM PDT by epow
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To: epow
I believe the question was should a governor stop the painful death of the hypothetical woman due to fluid buildup. If she is going to die a painful death without the draining procedure, how much more harm than that could be caused by the procedure? At least there would be some hope if the procedure was carried out, without the draining there would be no hope.

Yes, but how is the governor supposed to know whether draining the fluid is medically appropriate?

It doesn't take a doctor to know that if you remove food and water from someone they will certainly die unless they are given food and water again; giving them food and water cannot cause any harm worse than denying it. But in your hypothetical, how could a governor know for sure that draining the fluids could do no harm?

210 posted on 10/21/2003 10:25:39 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: beckett
God bless Jeb Bush!
211 posted on 10/21/2003 10:29:42 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: beckett
God bless Jeb Bush and the Florida legislators!
212 posted on 10/21/2003 10:30:08 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Or, a diet of nothing?

Nothing is to quick.

213 posted on 10/22/2003 6:58:38 AM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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To: supercat
But in your hypothetical, how could a governor know for sure that draining the fluids could do no harm?

He obviously couldn't if the doctors themselves don't know for sure, but that's beside the point I was attempting to make. I guess I'm not making myself clear, let me try again.

In the hypothetical situation as originally posted the lady is dying because of the fluid build up. If left untreated death is a certainty. If the drainage procedure is carried out she may still die, or live but suffer irreversable harm, or she may recover and survive in good health. Option one is she recieves no effective treatment and therefore dies. Option two is she is treated and may live in good health, may live but suffer severe damage of some kind, or may still die.

Option one = no chance of survival, option two = some chance of survival. I can't see any advantage in choosing option one, can you?

My only point is that whenever there is a chance that life may be preserved by treatment, the choice should always be for the possibility of continued life after treatment over the finality of certain death without treatment. I'm sorry if I'm not communicating effectively, but I don't know how to say it any clearer than that.

214 posted on 10/22/2003 8:55:05 AM PDT by epow
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To: epow
NO! In any instance where preserving life is concerned the choice should always be LIFE.

Thanks for your straightforward answer.

215 posted on 10/22/2003 2:02:35 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: beckett
THANK YOU GOVERNOR JEB! :D

According to CNS.com Michael is forbidding her parents from seeing her !! He needs to be sent to prison for Neglect!
216 posted on 10/22/2003 2:04:55 PM PDT by GOPCajunLady (God is Pro-Life! Your Mother was too.)
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To: khenrich
You know, if it wasn't for radio talkshow host Glenn Beck's advocacy, many people would have never known the whole story about Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Thank goodness there was someone spreading the word, thus allowing so many folks to do their own research on this story long before the mainstream press decided it was newsworthy.
Thanks also to all of you who DID do something, whether it was calling or writing the governor or spreading the word amongst your friends. There is a big difference between a disabled person and someone who is terminally ill or brain dead... and even the latter two should not be starved to death. Thanks for taking action.. even if it was at the last minute!
217 posted on 10/23/2003 2:17:24 PM PDT by breezinFL
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To: GOPCajunLady
According to CNS.com Michael is forbidding her parents from seeing her !! He needs to be sent to prison for Neglect!

You misspelled "attempted murder". Unless you believe the trust fund's books are on the up and up.

218 posted on 10/23/2003 8:58:34 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: breezinFL
//...and even the latter two should not be starved to death.//

Or worse yet dehydrated. My impression is that even when someone is being starved, they are still kept at least somewhat hydrated as a matter of protocol; does anyone know if that's correct?
219 posted on 10/23/2003 9:00:10 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: beckett
"This order shall be effective until such time as the Governor revokes it. "

Love you Jeb Bush. You have a heart. Thank you for IMPOSING that heart on others.

220 posted on 10/25/2003 3:21:40 PM PDT by nmh
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