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Will 'Terri's Bill'save her life now
Worldnet Daily ^ | October 19, 2003

Posted on 10/19/2003 8:59:31 PM PDT by WackySam

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To: WackySam
Anyone thought about posting a surveillance camera in Terri's room, like the ones they use to monitor Nannies?

Have to watch out that "husband" doesn't make an unsupervised visit to her room tonight and "help the proccess" along. Plus , on another thread, someone posted that the husband "visited" Terri in her room the other day and after he left, she was agitated. Would have loved to know what exactly he said to her.

I'm glad Jeb and the others are trying to do something, I just pray its not too late.

It seems the problem is, everbody is waiting for someone else , to "do something", instead of handling the problem directly.

What's happening in Florida is not all Jebs fault. People were elected, who put these laws in. (in other words-people voted for the "officials" ,who think there is nothing wrong with starving a disabled woman to death)- Judge greer was also elected from what I understand. People support euthanasia-even starvation and dehydration. We didn't get to this point overnight. The question is: Will we turn away from this path to hell now?

I don't know what Jeb can and can't do, like I've said before. If there is something he can do, I hope and Pray he does, not because "the public is outraged" or he's worried about "re-election/image"- But because he has human compassion- can help, and sees that the deliberate starving/dehydration of Terri, at the request of her husband , is not going to lead to anything good, now, or in the future.

If he truly can not help, I would hope that he would publicly explain in detail why he can't , and answer as many questions as is neccesary to make it clear to people. I would like to see him sincerely , publicly condem this and say that he is just as disgusted as everyone else at what is happening to Terri.(now is the time to explain what pro-life is, and what it means). I would like to see him publicly ask Michael Schiavo to let Terri have her feeding tube back, and let her go home to her parents. Offer him immunity , grant him a divorce where he gets everything- ask Schiavo to let Terri go home in the name of decency, but, I know that's alot to ask, I'm sure Felos would try to sue or something.

Anyway, then he (Jeb) could explain what needs to be changed in the laws to prevent this from happening again. But if he's not sincere and comes off as a "politician trying to save his own self" it won't work. People will see through it.

I don't know if Jeb has the sincerety of his brother President Bush. That's what I like about GWB. You may not agree with him about something, but you know that he is sincere about what he's saying. He doesn't come off as a "politician".

Pray for Terri-she needs a miracle.

61 posted on 10/19/2003 10:42:44 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democratic party. Save the USA-Vote a democrat out of offic)
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To: ch53gunner
Something to do with the settlement money being used to pay for her care - if she lives, he gets none of it.

I've read elsewhere that he's claimed the settlement isn't much of an issue, since it's mostly spent anyway. But if that's so, on what? If Michael loses guardianship of Terri, he'll have to show where the money's gone.

62 posted on 10/19/2003 10:43:25 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
I'm told there is a life insurance policy with a double indemnity clause and her death will be officially listed as accidental.
63 posted on 10/19/2003 10:48:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
I'm told there is a life insurance policy with a double indemnity clause and her death will be officially listed as accidental.

I've read that, but don't recall seeing a source. Seems odd that the insurance company would be wanting to pay out without an investigation or autopsy.

64 posted on 10/19/2003 10:51:14 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
Thank you for your reply. This clears things up and reinforces my view that one is much better off watching Spongebob in the morning than the news: the media has presented this couched in the simplest, crudest terms of "Right To Die Vs No Right To Die."
65 posted on 10/19/2003 10:53:12 PM PDT by Petronius
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To: Petronius
Thank you for your reply. This clears things up and reinforces my view that one is much better off watching Spongebob in the morning than the news: the media has presented this couched in the simplest, crudest terms of "Right To Die Vs No Right To Die."

Is it clear now why many here are outraged about this case? Terri is being murdered, and her murderers are likely to get away with it.

66 posted on 10/19/2003 10:57:56 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: fly_so_free
cameras have been banned from her room. apparently videotaping anything with her in it is considered violating her right to privacy. (he had her parents banned from her room for making a videotape of her responding to various stimuli)
67 posted on 10/19/2003 10:59:21 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: supercat
Depends on which company wrote the policy ... if the fiance is the agent, there is no telling how the scam could settle out.
68 posted on 10/19/2003 11:00:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Petronius
"one is much better off watching Spongebob "

Well, there is never a question that everyone is always better off watching SpongeBob. (my toddler and I love that cartoon)
69 posted on 10/19/2003 11:01:05 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: supercat
...there's something fishy about Michael "remembering" Terri's claims not to want to be kept alive.

This is beyond "fishy." One can almost hear the attorney telling Michael that the settlement will triple or quadruple if the word "rehabilitation" is used.

70 posted on 10/19/2003 11:01:53 PM PDT by Petronius
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To: Petronius
This is beyond "fishy." One can almost hear the attorney telling Michael that the settlement will triple or quadruple if the word "rehabilitation" is used.

More importantly, it allowed Schiavo to mollify Terri's parents until the fix was in.

71 posted on 10/19/2003 11:13:21 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: honeygrl
"cameras have been banned from her room"

er, uh, I wasn't talking about asking for permission- you know what I mean? (wink)

I did hear about the video/picture ban imposed by the judge-but- doesn't that indicate the judge is biased too? The whole argument is over wether she's a vegtable or not, wether she can be rehablilitated or not, right? Judge/husband say she is, so what's the big deal if her parents want to take pictures/video- what's the judge afraid of if she's "a vegtable"? Oh, and why not make a copy of that video and put it on a big screen outside the Hospice-project it onto a wall or something? So everyone can see supposed "vegtable" Terri smiling at her mom.

Pray for Terri-she needs a miracle

72 posted on 10/19/2003 11:15:27 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democratic party. Save the USA-Vote a democrat out of offic)
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To: fly_so_free
I did hear about the video/picture ban imposed by the judge-but- doesn't that indicate the judge is biased too?

When it comes to matters of fact, you need to understand two rules:

  1. The trial court is always right.
  2. When the trial court is wrong, refer to rule #1.
      Judge Greer has declared that he is not biased and refused to recuse himself. Therefore, he is not biased and need not recuse himself.

73 posted on 10/19/2003 11:32:24 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Petronius
At least you're honest in asking what you are missing!!!!!

Why can't people use the real words that mean something, instead of vague (artificial means) phrases that mask the real meaning?
Artificial means= food/water via injections or tubes inserted in throat or a porthole in the skin.
Guranteed if the words "food and water" were used in all news reports or any discussions of this issue, threre would be way smaller numbers of pro euthanasia!!!!
Most people envision "tubes and wires" when they picture terminal days.
Another HUGE point, is that the living wills, or someone conveying their wishes to someone else, mean in a terminal condition.
No doctor has stated that Terri Shiavo is terminal, that is judged to DEFINITELY die within 6 months. (To be eligible for Hospice services).
I cannot understand why nobody is talking about this part of the issue. It is a known fact, yet nobody mentions it in any discussion, especially the media, they jsut keep repeating the "vegetable" mantra.

Where your thinking is clouded on this issue, is that separation between being possibly rehabilitative, like Terri, as documented by many doctors except the husband/court hired ones, or in a REAL terminal, dying condition. The decisions changes immensly between each scenario.
Also, I pray this awakens more people as to the definitions of the terms used in the living wills.
I don't say, (nor do many here) that you SHOULD NOT HAVE A LIVING WILL, just that care should be taken to make sure all parties UNDERSTAND what they are asking for.

Two things I have considered in making my living will in regards to the food/water issue, in my state separate checkboxes on each issue is this:
1. With this type of death, will I have to suffer a lot more than my condition may have already made me suffer, i.e. cancer, etc. Does the withdrawal of water/food really cause as long as 2 weeks of pain, thirst, and additoinal suffering?
2. Will it be a large extra, burden upon my family who must wait nearby for the final event? And watch the symptoms of lack of water.
3. Does the research show the effects while the dying process is happening, what to expect?

In the pioneer days, as the grandparents, or an injured family member lay dying in the family home on the prarie, there were no respirators to have the problem of unplugging, life support, to have to consider, but they always took a rag of water and squeezed it on their dry, cracked lips for comfort, which shows there must be quite a bit of drying and chapping.cracking of dry tissues that happen.Any nurses opinions?
74 posted on 10/19/2003 11:37:14 PM PDT by oreolady (have you checked your living will lately?)
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To: supercat
Yeh, that makes sense. But there must be something that can be done when the court is corrupt? Or, it seems that what Jeb is doing is the only recourse right? Call a special legislature session.. let's hope and Pray it works. Nite- all. Keep Praying for Terri.
75 posted on 10/19/2003 11:51:50 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democratic party. Save the USA-Vote a democrat out of offic)
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To: oreolady
Another HUGE point, is that the living wills, or someone conveying their wishes to someone else, mean in a terminal condition.

I did not know this. This should have decided things in Terri's favor. I simply assumed that I could have a binding, legal document stating that if I - because of _any_ incapacitation - am unable to feed myself, then no one else is to. Of course, this would ruin any chances of rehab for me, but that should be my business. I'm rather disturbed by this news.

1. With this type of death, will I have to suffer a lot more than my condition may have already made me suffer, i.e. cancer, etc. Does the withdrawal of water/food really cause as long as 2 weeks of pain, thirst, and additoinal suffering?

I seriously doubt this - as long as proper amounts of pain medication are used.

76 posted on 10/20/2003 12:21:50 AM PDT by Petronius
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To: Petronius
Maybe I won't suffer, but as I watched my sons during the 10 month death-watch of their Dad, along with me, did realize how much just that one point alone the family members suffer.
To add starvation to it just adds another time dimension, or even delay from "natural" death, such as ceasing to breathe, heart stoppage, etc.
77 posted on 10/20/2003 12:33:49 AM PDT by oreolady (have you checked your living will lately?)
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To: pollywog; fly_so_free; supercat; honeygrl; MHGinTN; Krodg; MarMema
If you can spare a few minutes of FReepin' time, please visit http://12dollars.net/terri/ and compose an email to all the Florida legislators about the upcoming "Terri's Bill" presentation today. One click of a button, and your email goes to all the lawmakers. I know it works, because within minutes I got auto-return "thanks for your email" responses from each one of their email addresses. The "Terri's Bill" presentation is (hopefully) to be presented shortly after lunch today. Bless ya.
78 posted on 10/20/2003 3:03:53 AM PDT by shezza
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To: WackySam
"However Hard, Terri Schiavo Has to Be Let Go"

Anybody want to write this woman and correct her? She's writing for New York Newsday, today's column.


http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/newyork/columnists/ny-vpmcc203501815oct20,0,2590525.column?coll=ny-ny-columnists
79 posted on 10/20/2003 3:38:29 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: listera
Maybe $$ ? The court is letting him have his cake
(a common-law wife and the money) and eat it, too.
I'm glad Christ is the judge, because I would be
sort of unfair to this guy if I were in that position I
guess.
80 posted on 10/20/2003 4:01:25 AM PDT by Twinkie
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