[Qwinn]

"And discrediting the law has been happening, incrementally, for some time now. Destruction of our Constitutional Republic is top down. People are getting understandably unsettled by all the autocratic mumbo-jumbo rationalizations. Compelling State Interest is noticably Extra-Constitutional. The restlessness and demand for reforms will, G-d willing, escalate."

I couldn't agree with you more. I am in fact terrified of the powers our current judiciary wields.

All I'm trying to get at is that the arguments you are making could be just as validly made over abortion. In every way. I consider it every human being's moral duty to prevent every abortion they are aware of just as much as they are required to prevent every overt murder they can. No one does so. Why? Because the Courts have decreed that we can't, and throw us in jail if we try. It's been that way for 30 years. No one should be surprised now that the incrementalism has gone even further. Is it horrible? Yes. But everyone here should know by now that I agree it's horrible. That's not the point in debate.

I think it's just as wrong to rant at Jeb for failing to defy this order as it is to rant at Jeb for not marching down to the nearest abortion clinic and stopping every abortion he sees. If someone feels that strongly about it, they should be willing to do it themselves, rather than demanding that Bush break the law and face prison time -for- them.

Qwinn

[Avoiding_Sulla]

I couldn't agree with you more. I am in fact terrified of the powers our current judiciary wields.

I think it's just as wrong to rant at Jeb for failing to defy this order as it is to rant at Jeb for not marching down to the nearest abortion clinic and stopping every abortion he sees. If someone feels that strongly about it, they should be willing to do it themselves, rather than demanding that Bush break the law and face prison time -for-them.

Then why isn't he asking people to show their anguish instead of you doing it? This is not near the devisiveness of the abortion issue. If anything it's a rallying point.

THIS is a legitimate complaint.

We all talk of the power of the bully-pulpit, but when the one who ostensibly represents our side occupies that pulpit, then the leader's apologists seem to forget all about the promises to USE IT. Why? Answer that!

How, in heavens name, are we not right to hold Jeb accountable for NOT FOMENTING the justifiable -- under the Nuremborg principle --protests?

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Excellent analogy.

BUMP!