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10/18/03 -- Jeb's Emails to FR poster, summer, today, re: Terri. (And, a Message to Michael Shiavo)
10/18/03 | summer's emails with Gov Bush

Posted on 10/18/2003 5:15:50 PM PDT by summer

Note to FR: I am posting here an email conversation I had today with Gov Bush about Terri, and yes, he knows I am posting it here on FR.

In my reply #1, located below this post of Gov Bush’s email, I have posted a message from me to Terri’s husband. And, no, I did not discuss with anyone my idea here to write to Terri’s husband. No one suggested it to me. Nor did I discuss it with anyone at all.

In my next reply, reply #2 below, I hope to post a message to my friends here on FR. And, while I would like to respond to each reply that may be posted on this thread, I can not. Due to a pressing personal matter, I will not be able to respond tonight.

However, my thoughts and prayers and hopes remain with each person involved in this matter.

God bless.

summer


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----- Original Message -----
From: [summer]
To: Jeb Bush
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: …question for you…

Gov Bush,

Thank you, and I have no doubt you would move Heaven and Earth for her if you could.

Sincerely, [summer]

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeb Bush
To: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:42 PM
Subject: …question for you…

I cannot offer much hope. I am sickened by this situtation and pray for her family. We have looked at every angle, every legal possibility and will continue to do so. It is clear that we need to make living wills the norm for families in our state. Too few people use them.

Jeb


-----Original Message-----
From: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:38 PM
To: Jeb Bush
Subject: Re: …question for you…

Thank you for your response, Gov Bush. Before I post this, can you provide any measure of hope for a legal way to preserve this woman's life? To think that all her parents want to do is care for her and not see her starve to death, is, I think, not asking for a lot in this world. My own parents would feel the same way about me, I am sure[…]

[summer]

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeb Bush
To: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: …question for you…

this was tried in the courts I believe and was rejected.

jeb

-----Original Message-----


From: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:03 PM
To: Jeb Bush
Subject: …question for you…

Is there a way you can utilize Family Law as it pertains to abandonment of a spouse -- on the grounds of lack of sexual contact -- so that the path can be cleared for him to be legally removed by the state or her family as a husband?

-----Original Message-----

From: Jeb Bush
Sent: Oct 18, 2003 1:47 PM
To: [summer]
Subject: …question for you…

Unfortunately, I cannot issue an executive order when there is a court order upheld at every level in the judiciary. Mr. Shiavo is the legal guardian and I can't override that fact. I wish I could but I have no legal authority to do so.

Jeb

-----Original Message-----

From: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Jeb Bush
Subject: …question for you…

Can you use your authority to issue an Executive Order, to place her in a different hospice that has no connection to her husband, as a temporary stop measure to [get] this woman back on feeding -- so that you have the time necessary to review whatever other options may exist for you? This current situation with her removed from the tubes will result in an irrevocable situation.


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To: MHGinTN; All
Have you or has anyone seen this?:

pc93: Please help to get this info. spread out on other places here and on the net, etc. to individuals, and others you deem should be made aware. Let them know to convey the same info. to others.

Regards.

Please get this info. out:

Contact: Pamela Hennessy

Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation

Phone 727-445-1766

eFax 802-609-9121
email: phenn@zimp.org


Press Release

Special Session Called in State Legislature

Speaker of the House, Johnnie Byrd to introduce “Terri’s Bill”

Clearwater, FL October 19, 2003: The Governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, has called a special session of the Florida Legislature for Monday, October 20, 2003. At that time, Florida’s Speaker of the House will introduce “Terri’s Bill”. By Florida law, two thirds majority vote are required to have a topic entered.

Volunteers with the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation have learned that Senate President, Jim King is against this bill.

The Bill would put an immediate moratorium on all dehydration and starvation deaths currently pending in Florida.

We have come to a time when the merchants of death have created a constitutional crisis and a justice gridlock, while the rightful life of Florida’s disabled and vulnerable citizens tragically hang on Terri Schindler-Schiavo’s court ordered dehydration and starvation death.

We urge all concerned Floridians to contact their Senators and State House members to vote for Terri’s bill.

Time is short.

341 posted on 10/19/2003 6:07:06 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Florida...where Hitler's decree for "mercy death" is making a comeback. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Ciexyz
Let's pray for a LOOPHOLE to be found! God can work miracles!

Yes, indeedy.

342 posted on 10/19/2003 6:08:35 PM PDT by syriacus (Judge Greer---YOU should have looked into Terri's eyes and asked her if she wanted life.)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Whoa!!! Amazing.
343 posted on 10/19/2003 6:10:47 PM PDT by syriacus (Judge Greer---YOU should have looked into Terri's eyes and asked her if she wanted life.)
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To: Goldwater Girl
Your theory about Michael being afraid of Terri recovering is entirely plausible. It explains why he has refused to divorce her and relinquish guardianship to her parents.

Indeed, it would explain that. Another very plausible theory is that Schiavo has not been managing Terri's trust funds legitimately. Only Terri's guardian or guardian ad litem would have standing to demand an audit. Since there is no guardian ad litem, and Michael would likely be complicit in any embezzlement, an audit can be avoided if and only if Michael remains guardian until Terri dies (at which point, as inheritor he would have the right to request an audit but of course wouldn't. Note that under this theory, Judge Greer becomes culpable because he has an affirmative duty to supervise the trust fund.

My condolences on the loss of your wife at such a young age. Were they able to find the cause of death?

Blood clot in the lung. Her doctor diagnosed as pneumonia what was probably the start of a progressive logjam; if I'd wanted to, I could probably have won a malpractice lawsuit, but I didn't feel the need to push up malpractice premiums. I don't know whether winning such a lawsuit would have made me feel any better about the loss of my wife, but my suspicion was that it wouldn't. BTW, have you clicked my home page?

Since Terri survived her cardiac arrest- and her bloodwork showed the critically low potassium level, the doctors treating her bulemia got nailed for malpractice. If it had been questionable, they would not all have lost.

I don't know about that. If the case was in Greer's courtroom...

I undertand Terri has been in a series of nursing homes, before coming to hospice. If she was denied therapy for all those years- why did the parents not prevail?

Because Judge Greer declared there was no possible conflict of interest involving Michael and his ward and thus there was no need for a guardian ad litem. Since a guardian ad litem would be the only person with standing to file suit against a guardian on behalf of the ward, there was nobody with standing file a suit regarding Terri's lack of care or the mismanagement of her finances.

Even comatose patients get therapy to prevent contractures. I don't know why the nurse attempting to wean Terri off the feeding tube was stopped....unless it resulted in aspiration or was against doctors orders-- or maybe it was a nurses aide? There are almost no RN's in nursing homes, they run on LPN's and aides.

IIRC, Terri was in a hospital at first. She was moved out of the hospital immediately following the Schiavo's discovery that someone was trying to feed Terri. And can you not think of any reason why Schiavo might insist that oral feeding be stopped, especially since it would render moot his claim that Terri didn't want to "live hooked up to tubes"?

About passing an emergency law to help Terri- I'm afraid there are too many lawyers in the Legislature- especially the Senate- to get anything like that passed. Wish it were different.

I would prefer Terri's life to Terri's martyrdom. But if Terri's 13 year struggle to survive Schiavo's torture helps roll back the Culture of Death, it will be worth it.

If there is new evidence of abuse- the parents should have raised that IMMEDIATELY. As far as I am aware, they made multiple attempts to get the old bone scan investigated, but nothing new. Are they working on that now? I read they have given up fighting.

The original trauma is more than ten years old. Unless it can be connected to Terri's actual death (murder has no statute of limitations, but attempted murder does) it will be legally irrelevant at this point.

About advance directives- in Florida, at least, written instructions from an individual pretty much trump the legal angle. They are carried out every day without this kind of controversy. Sometimes family members squabble about it- but if judges have your written instructions to go by- it is quickly settled.

Indeed. But Judge Greer declared that hearsay constituted "clear and compelling evidence".

Finding someone to take on that responsibility is another thing altogether. I chose a friend from nursing school- who understands the medical terms and disease processes and can make a rational decision on my behalf. It's an important decision- to give someone that much power- look what Michael has done with it. Good luck.

It is hard. Of course, finding the right person to marry is hard.

344 posted on 10/19/2003 6:12:30 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: syriacus
BUMP!!!!!!!
345 posted on 10/19/2003 6:12:37 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Florida...where Hitler's decree for "mercy death" is making a comeback. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Thank you for the heads up. Frankly, Bush's actions appear to be more buck passing than decisive action. The bill may make it through committee by the time Terri is cremated. If the governor thinks the whole Terri Schiavo situation is unjust, then why has he not taken the authority he has to act and done something about this? I wouldn't set foot on Florida soil and have informed everyone in my immediate and extended families to avoid that state like it was a Palestinian terrorist stronghold.
346 posted on 10/19/2003 6:13:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: redlipstick
Did you see the news about the special session Bush has called??
The Bill would put an immediate moratorium on all dehydration and starvation deaths currently pending in Florida.

Isn't that wonderful???


Go, Jeb, Go.
347 posted on 10/19/2003 6:13:48 PM PDT by syriacus (Judge Greer---YOU should have looked into Terri's eyes and asked her if she wanted life.)
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To: MHGinTN
Thank you for the heads up. Frankly, Bush's actions appear to be more buck passing than decisive action.

I think it's great!!!

348 posted on 10/19/2003 6:14:48 PM PDT by syriacus (Judge Greer---YOU should have looked into Terri's eyes and asked her if she wanted life.)
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To: redlipstick
Schiavo didn't hire Felos until 1997.

And the petition to remove the feeding tube was in 1998.

349 posted on 10/19/2003 6:18:02 PM PDT by syriacus (Judge Greer---YOU should have looked into Terri's eyes and asked her if she wanted life.)
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To: syriacus
Maybe our prayers for a miracle are being answered....

Keep praying, people!!

350 posted on 10/19/2003 6:20:19 PM PDT by incindiary (Proverbs 31:8)
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To: syriacus
By the time it passes, even if it were retroactive, she will be gone. It will do something to protect the next Terri Schaivo that the state decides to put down however. I smell politics in the timing, syriacus.
351 posted on 10/19/2003 6:21:13 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
More to the legal points, why has judge Greer continued to protect the guardian he appointed when clear evidence proves the guardian has been defrauding his ward and abusing her via neglect of her therapy and thus her recovery? Additionally, why does the governor not suspend the suspect rulings of the malfeasant judge who has failed to exercise HIS state guardianship responsibilty to hold Michael Schaivo to the minimum standards of guardianship and allowed the Terri's guardian to abuse and deraud her?

Judge Greer made at least one big mistake, which will hopefully be his undoing. He has failed to appoint a guardian ad litem as required by law. This calls into question many of Felos/Schiavo's actions which have gone unchallenged. Had Greer been smarter, he would have found a "yes man" to serve as Terri's guardian ad lib. This would have masked the rank stench of impropriety which has permeated many of the actions of the Schiavo Triumvirate.

352 posted on 10/19/2003 6:22:42 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
Only Terri's guardian or guardian ad litem would have standing to demand an audit. Since there is no guardian ad litem, and Michael would likely be complicit in any embezzlement, an audit can be avoided if and only if Michael remains guardian until Terri dies

Terri did have a guardian as litem at one point. They reported that there was a conflict of interest where Michael was concerned and he should be removed. The guardian ad litem was dismissed instead.

I don't have a link handy and it could take awhile to go through all the threads..perhaps another poster will know where to find it.

353 posted on 10/19/2003 6:34:12 PM PDT by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: summer
Glad to see you taking a stance on life issues. And who could do it better than you? Bravo!
354 posted on 10/19/2003 6:39:17 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
The Terri Bill is an add on to an already planned special session...

http://www.news-press.com/news/local_state/031019session.html
355 posted on 10/19/2003 6:47:07 PM PDT by deport (The Many, The Proud, The Winners)
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To: deport
SPECIAL SESSION
356 posted on 10/19/2003 6:49:54 PM PDT by deport (The Many, The Proud, The Winners)
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To: BenR2
Did they have two different mothers?????
357 posted on 10/19/2003 6:53:34 PM PDT by TaxRelief (I'm leaving for FL at 6am! Freepers, please come to Florida!)
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To: MHGinTN
I smell politics in the timing, syriacus.

Could be. It is the election season.

Pray that Terri stays strong enough.

This may be her only hope.

358 posted on 10/19/2003 7:05:20 PM PDT by syriacus (Judge Greer---YOU should have looked into Terri's eyes and asked her if she wanted life.)
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To: deport
I'm sure Terri's camp is doing the best they can when writing press releases. The most important thing is Terri will be a topic for discussion tomorrow.
359 posted on 10/19/2003 7:06:06 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Florida...where Hitler's decree for "mercy death" is making a comeback. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: deport
Although this thread is pulled, saying there is no confirmation of a special session, I posted it here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003233/posts?page=659#659 yesterday. It was on myflorida website Saturday.

From myflorida.com:

The Senate will convene for Special Session E on Monday, October 20, 2003, at 1:45pm.
360 posted on 10/19/2003 7:08:23 PM PDT by Graymatter
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