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Auschwitz in America
world net daily ^ | 10-18-03 | William J. Federer

Posted on 10/18/2003 11:06:58 AM PDT by MarMema

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To: SpaceBar
You know the funny thing is that when Peter Singer visits Germany now, the Germans dog him and yell at him, throw things at him.

But in this country he is given one of the most prestigious chairs at Princeton, and is paid to Teach ethics and philosophy to our brightest and most influential perhaps, young minds.

This from a man who has proposed there be centers set up around the country where parents can "turn in" their infants - up to 6 months old or older - and have another child, if they don't like the one they have now for any reason.

What will his graduating classes bring to us? What have they already brought to us?

41 posted on 10/18/2003 12:58:36 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
perhaps this is why you reposted Federer's editorial

I searched and it did not come up.

42 posted on 10/18/2003 1:01:17 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Lion in Winter; Destro
Ping
43 posted on 10/18/2003 1:02:37 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
Do we then continue to allow parents to make their own, highly biased decisions about life and death for others? This is family rights?
Under our constitution, it certainly is their right.
Who do you propose should have this power?

-- Try writing an amendment giving this power to someone/some-group other than parents or legal guardians..
Two bits you can't. -- Or won't even try..
--- Anyone?
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MarMema wrote: I suppose we should stop prosecuting the likes of Susan Smith, then, who also said she killed her children out of love for them, and also should have the right to kill them.





I'd supppose I won my point, seeing that inane 'reply'..

Do you have a solution to this issue, or are you just here preaching?
-- We have a religious forum for that.

44 posted on 10/18/2003 1:02:49 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: MarMema
**"There are those who believe that a new modernity demands a new morality.**

No thanks, we will take the old morality of the Ten Commandments and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
45 posted on 10/18/2003 1:13:21 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MarMema
"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me --
and there was no one left to speak out for me."
~~Pastor Martin Niemoller
(victim of the Nazis)

Is there anything we can learn from this?
When they came for the Catholics?
When they came for the Baptists?
When they came for the fundamentalists?
When they came for the agnostics?
When they came for the physically disabled?
When they came for the mentally disabled?

Just something for all of us to think about -- is this picture larger than we currently see it?


46 posted on 10/18/2003 1:13:56 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: itsahoot; G.Mason
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47 posted on 10/18/2003 1:14:17 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
**I want to see Judge Greer, Felos and all of their criminal cohorts pay for this.**

Believe me, they will pay in God's court! Here are some of the hints at how the rulings will go:

From a search of The Catechism of the Catholic Church (first 40 references on life

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.


2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.


336 From its beginning until death, human life is surrounded by their watchful care and intercession. "Beside each believer stands an angel as protector and shepherd leading him to life." Already here on earth the Christian life shares by faith in the blessed company of angels and men united in God.


2367 Called to give life, spouses share in the creative power and fatherhood of God. "Married couples should regard it as their proper mission to transmit human life and to educate their children; they should realize that they are thereby cooperating with the love of God the Creator and are, in a certain sense, its interpreters. They will fulfill this duty with a sense of human and Christian responsibility."


1524 In addition to the Anointing of the Sick, the Church offers those who are about to leave this life the Eucharist as viaticum. Communion in the body and blood of Christ, received at this moment of "passing over" to the Father, has a particular significance and importance. It is the seed of eternal life and the power of resurrection, according to the words of the Lord: "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." The sacrament of Christ once dead and now risen, the Eucharist is here the sacrament of passing over from death to life, from this world to the Father.


» Enter the CCC at this paragraph

2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."


2288 Life and physical health are precious gifts entrusted to us by God. We must take reasonable care of them, taking into account the needs of others and the common good.

Concern for the health of its citizens requires that society help in the attainment of living-conditions that allow them to grow and reach maturity: food and clothing, housing, health care, basic education, employment, and social assistance.


1007 Death is the end of earthly life. Our lives are measured by time, in the course of which we change, grow old and, as with all living beings on earth, death seems like the normal end of life. That aspect of death lends urgency to our lives: remembering our mortality helps us realize that we have only a limited time in which to bring our lives to fulfillment:

Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, . . . before the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.


1641 "By reason of their state in life and of their order, [Christian spouses] have their own special gifts in the People of God." This grace proper to the sacrament of Matrimony is intended to perfect the couple's love and to strengthen their indissoluble unity. By this grace they "help one another to attain holiness in their married life and in welcoming and educating their children."



48 posted on 10/18/2003 1:16:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MarMema
BUMP
49 posted on 10/18/2003 1:19:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: tpaine
The right of a family member to kill a child or Grandma should be consistent across the board if we are going to uphold family rights in matters of life and death.

Using a feeding tube as a reason to kill doesn't get it.

Feeding tubes have been in use for over a hundred years and many, many people use them while they work, play baseball, mow the lawn, and raise their children.

If we are going to kill people because they have a feeding tube, then according to the above link, there are about 848,000 people in need of euthanasia in this country alone.

What are the criteria? Just the desire of a family member to be rid of someone, and the vulnerability of the family member. Infants, the elderly, and the disabled are vulnerable.

What does it say about us as a society? Wesley Smith says that the vulnerability of others presents a sort of mirror to us in which to see our own reflections. The current reflection of this country doesn't look good to me.

50 posted on 10/18/2003 1:20:54 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
So ahem, where are the FREE SUSAN SMITH banners, anyway?
51 posted on 10/18/2003 1:22:15 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Salvation; MarMema
It has occurred to me that to care for those who are handicapped is an OPPORTUNITY for the caretaker to become more like CHRIST. To sacrifice their own self-serving lives to what is right and moral before GOD.

It has also occurred to me that NOT to assist those who do in fact, care for the handicapped among us is, something for which that person will have to pay for throughout eternity.

Now, that being said, it is my belief that the less fortunate, health-wise, amongst us are actually GIFTS FROM GOD to be treasured and loved.

52 posted on 10/18/2003 1:33:36 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: MarMema
Just looked at your profiel and especially the flag og your home state. Did you know that the owner of the biggest buisness there also runs a "foundation" that is one of the largest abortion/euthanasia supporters on the PLANET???!!!
I would be quite willing to lay down BETS that the Bill and Milinda Gates Foundation has indirectly at least passed some cash to the little Andersonville where Terri is dying.
It is really getting to be that running LINUX may be a pro life as well as pro liberty thing to do.
53 posted on 10/18/2003 1:41:13 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Why do we allow a purjuring, software pirate traitor to continue to run our computers?)
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To: MarMema; anyone
Do we then continue to allow parents to make their own, highly biased decisions about life and death for others? This is family rights?

Under our constitution, it certainly is their right.
Who do you propose should have this power?

-- Try writing an amendment giving this power to someone/some-group other than parents or legal guardians..
Two bits you can't. -- Or won't even try..
--- Anyone?
26 -tpaine-





MarMema wrote: I suppose we should stop prosecuting the likes of Susan Smith, then, who also said she killed her children out of love for them, and also should have the right to kill them.




I'd supppose I won my point, seeing that inane 'reply'..
Do you have a solution to this issue?
44 -tpaine-




MarMema wrote:
The right of a family member to kill a child or Grandma should be consistent across the board if we are going to uphold family rights in matters of life and death.






- Then try writing a constitutional 'law' giving this power CONSISTENTLY to someone/some-group other than parents or legal guardians..

Two bits you can't. -- Or won't even try..
--- Anyone?
54 posted on 10/18/2003 1:42:17 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: Coral Snake
bttt
55 posted on 10/18/2003 1:53:06 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: MarMema
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/
56 posted on 10/18/2003 1:57:51 PM PDT by Held_to_Ransom
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To: Lion in Winter
I really like your beliefs as outlined and thank you for them. My husband and I adopted three disabled children from Russia after our son developed diabetes at age 2. We certainly believe that all 4 of our children are gifts from God.
57 posted on 10/18/2003 2:01:39 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
LOL. I knew you may have been shocked, but not THAT shocked. You even posted to it several times. Starting at 109 and ending at 183, plus numerous responses to you. Look, this isn't a criticism. It's par for the course. The Federer editorial had a different title at TownHall.com (The Court-Ordered Death of Terri Schiavo) than at WND (Auschwitz in America).

Of far more importance is that you recognize how this case connects with all the death being cultivated around the globe.

The elitists' deep ecologists are on record of tolerating no more than 500 million people on the planet. To remove 6 billion people they must void the sanctity of human life paradigm. They cannot abrogate the sanctity of life ethic without first kicking God out of the public sphere in America, the USA being the hegemon of the globe. It all is part of the same battle. If this one case and all it portends bothers you, then it all must bother you.

God grant that your pleas penetrate to the vestiges of the conscience of Jeb Bush.

58 posted on 10/18/2003 2:06:21 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
Have you seen my FR page?

Thanks for the explanation..Nancy Valko sent out the WND version this morning and it was dated today on WND.

59 posted on 10/18/2003 2:10:45 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
Can this holocaust happen in America? Indeed, it has already begun. The idea of killing a person and calling it "death with dignity" is an oxymoron. The "mercy-killing" movement puts us on the same path as pre-Nazi Germany. The "quality of life" concept, which eventually results in the Hegelian utilitarian attitude of a person's worth being based on their contribution toward perpetuating big government, is in stark contrast to America's founding principles

Just wait until aging baby boomers start to need medical care and Social Security begins to go into the red. The way the idiot left is acting, I bet they would find this a logical solution </half-sarcasm

60 posted on 10/18/2003 2:22:33 PM PDT by judicial meanz (Fry Arafat....baste him in Pig grease...and bury him upside down in a a manure pile)
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