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To: singsong
There is no "forcing" envolved. Those who don't want to do it have the option not to. But now, no teacher can lead the students in reciting the pledge. I remind you that to recite in a group is as fundamental right as individually.

What's your point? A public-school teacher is a government actor. A government actor leading a pledge that implies god-belief is wrong, on principle.

Try to understand this point: not everyone believes in your god! Try replacing God in the 'Under God' with Allah, and tell me if you approve.

All of this is easily resolved in principle - the "opt out" principle.

That's a good principle. There's also the principle of 'captive audience'. To date, captive audience has won.

Court-created law - which is in itself unconstitutional.

I'm not even going to address this one. 'Court-created law' is a conservative boogeyman. I don't believe in the boogeyman either.
99 posted on 10/17/2003 8:05:23 PM PDT by charmtrap
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To: charmtrap
Try replacing God in the 'Under God' with Allah

Sounds like a perfectly good Arabic translation to me. After all "Allah" means "The One God".

100 posted on 10/17/2003 8:16:30 PM PDT by reg45
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To: charmtrap
A government actor leading a pledge that implies god-belief is wrong, on principle.

Only if the principle is atheistic. This right is guarantied by the Constitution if the people involeved are not forced to do it, ie they can 'opt out'.

There's also the principle of 'captive audience'.

Another atheistic principle that has nothing to do with the Constitution.
114 posted on 10/17/2003 9:11:05 PM PDT by singsong
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To: charmtrap
Try replacing God in the 'Under God' with Allah, and tell me if you approve.
I would not mind at all because me and family would not be in this country if this was the pledge. I certainly don't mind Iraqies doing it in their pledge. I don't mind a Muslim prayer in a school with Muslim majority. As long as their is a willing majority, the teacher leading the students is acceptable.
115 posted on 10/17/2003 9:17:07 PM PDT by singsong
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