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To: gcruse; xm177e2
"As an atheist, I feel as mainstream as the next guy."

Where do you feel your rights come from? Are they inalienable (INCAPABLE of being alienated, surrendered or transferred)? Why is that?

What unchanging standard do you recognize in order to arrive at your conclusion? Is your standard a legitimate truth that is true for all people in all places at all times? By whose authority is it true? Is it true whether everyone agrees with you or not?

On another note:

Do you have *faith* that other people have minds?

If you don't have that faith, please explain how you *know* that others beside yourself have minds and that they aren't just preprogrammed robots.

22 posted on 10/17/2003 5:05:07 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: Matchett-PI
Where do you feel your rights come from? Are they inalienable
 (INCAPABLE of being alienated, surrendered or transferred)?


Of course they can be surrendered.  People are giving up rights
constantly in fighting the war on terror.  That is the hubbub over
the Patriot Act.
26 posted on 10/17/2003 5:14:25 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Matchett-PI
"Where do you feel your rights come from? "

Not being the subject of this inquiry, but being an atheist, I’d like to answer. Rights in a theoretical sense from an Objectivist perspective come from the recognition of the needs of our nature. Being rational beings, we require the liberty to act in our own rational self interest in order to maximize our talents in living our lives.

"What unchanging standard do you recognize in order to arrive at your conclusion? Is your standard a legitimate truth that is true for all people in all places at all times? By whose authority is it true? Is it true whether everyone agrees with you or not?"

The concept of a “right” is a social construct, but one that recognizes that our nature changes very little with respect to our fundamental requirements. The validity underlying each right is either true or it’s not, irrelevant of anyone’s authority. Opinions may vary, similar to opinions on theology.

30 posted on 10/17/2003 5:29:14 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: Matchett-PI
Where do you feel your rights come from? Are they inalienable (INCAPABLE of being alienated, surrendered or transferred)? Why is that? What unchanging standard do you recognize in order to arrive at your conclusion? Is your standard a legitimate truth that is true for all people in all places at all times? By whose authority is it true? Is it true whether everyone agrees with you or not?

Tell you what, as soon as all the world's religions, sects, and cults can all agree on a single set of moral rules, *then* I'll believe that there's an absolute morality.

Until then, the folks who think they've got a line on "absolute" morals from some deity are just going with what they "feel" is the right interpretation of what they "feel" is the correct set of ancient writings which they "feel" is the ungarbled message from what they "feel" is the ultimate arbiter who they "feel" actually exists.

Anyone who thinks that they're not basing their morality on what they feel, as fallible humans, is the right set to use is kidding themselves. No one's got a direct line to the absolute.

(And to head off the inevitable misunderstanding, no, that doesn't mean that "anything goes" or "every morality must be as valid as any other", either.)

144 posted on 10/17/2003 9:58:35 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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